Don’t Hate Because You Made Bad Decisions

Christmas tree of different color slices of lipsticks and stickers nearby

A former Mary Kay consultant lost money years ago, but is going to try it again and she is going to make money. She will not be “silly enough” or “stupid,” and she won’t have “bad judgment” like Pink Truth members.

Wow! I googled how to get back in and found your site. :) I was in MK years ago when I was divorced and broke, living in a small town, and stopped simply because the market was saturated (my MOTHER became a consultant the month after I did–it was stupid) and I just let it go, using what product I had, writing off the loss of my minor investment mentally as a lesson learned. Now, I live in a metro area, and though I see a car with an ad occasionally, I don’t see overt advertisement here. It looks like a more marketable area.

I will, however, never be silly enough to be forced to buy products I can’t sell. Other than the most cost-effective introductory kit that I had to purchase all those years ago, and won’t ever have to do again, I would never buy in gross. After Mama died, and I had her remainders and mine when I recently moved, and all those shades of base that we just don’t have clientele for went in the trash. I’ll simply never do that again. I did use some of it for stage makeup and gave some away for Halloween costumes and for Christmas presents (along with Satin Hands sets and other products) to friends or acquaintances, but still had lots to toss in the trash–my point is, I won’t buy anything for which I don’t have orders.

I won’t try to get people to be on my team, because I didn’t sign up so that I could be in multi-level marketing. I don’t believe in it and I won’t do it.

Being talked into taking out a LOAN to buy a huge inventory that you don’t know for sure that you have a market for is just to be blunt–STUPID. I can’t fault Mary Kay for trying to push product–they are in sales. It is really a personal decision to TAKE OUT A LOAN. Every person has the right to be stupid–and we’ve all done it a time or two. Don’t blame the company for people’s BAD JUDGEMENT. EVERY one should develop a backbone and use it to help them stand when they say: “No, I’m not buying that. I only need this list of things.”

Much to my surprise, I am a wonderful salesperson, mostly due to my adherence to truth-telling in all situations, and people recognize and appreciate that. I have an independent insurance business, and have done several other sales jobs–teaching high school being one of the more fun of those. I don’t NEED to sell MK, I just want to. I think it will give me an opportunity to meet people and meet their needs.

I go on vacation with my husband, very occasionally, when I can work their schedules into ours, with my children. I do not need to go on trips with hundreds of screaming women who are excited about diamonds and rubies. Proverbs 31:10 says that a the worth of a virtuous woman is high above rubies (intent being precious stones). Yes, I wear them, Mama left them, so I wear them, but it’s not that big a deal to me. Godly women wouldn’t be all about that part, would they?

I am a strong enough personality to NOT be forced to sell crap that I don’t believe in–I HATE the skin care, and won’t even attempt it. I’m an oily, soap-and water girl, 44, and am guessed to be in my early 30′s regularly–the skin care doesn’t work for me, is certainly not worth the money for me, and I would never try to sell it to anyone. I don’t believe in it. I do, however, believe in the MK base. I believe 105 is my oh-so-ivory number. I miss it and the lipstick. I’ll pay the $20 to re-join, just so that I can have my base and lipstick for cheap, make some new friends, and sell to people who want to buy and have the discretionary income to do so. Anything else would be unethical.

I suppose I’ve said all this to say, it’s possible to sell Mary Kay without selling your soul. I know what you have to do to get a car, and frankly, I just bought a new car of my own–don’t need a pink one, no matter how COOL they may be.

Don’t hate because you made the decision to throw thousands of dollars into the trash. If you are in and don’t like it, get out, or back down. If you don’t like your pushy upline, get out and find someone nicer to work with who understands your goals. I, for instance, don’t really have any serious goals, it’s more of a hobby for me, and the person I am reenacting under knows that.

Don’t EVER pressure anyone to do anything against their husband’s will: THAT is totally against God’s plan for the home. I don’t see anything wrong with someone making a valiant attempt to “sell it to him”. If he says no, and he is the Godly husband that he should be, then there are reasons that it’s a bad idea right now, and that lady should abide by his wishes. The Proverbs 31 Woman was in sales, by the way–that’s always a major point–her husband was very proud of her. :)

I apologize for the randomness of my thoughts. I appreciate your site and the pitfalls that you point out. Young women need to understand what is truly expected of them to make MK a viable full-time business. MOST of us just aren’t up for that, and they need to know before they get emotionally involved and over-invest, which I’ve already stated. It’s a great idea for people who have money to spend to make money, or for people like me who don’t really intend to do it full time–which I know they hate, but it’s my decision–and yours.

Blessings, ladies.

Don’t believe it. You cannot profit in Mary Kay without selling your soul to the devil. You might be able to make a little bit of pocket change. But consistent profits, especially at a level that will make a difference to your family, are impossible without deceitful recruiting and frontloading of inventory.

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  1. The popcorn is on as we await Destiny Angel’s exquisite take-down of today’s critic.

    In the meantime, OP might want to check out Matthew 7:1 and get off her judgmental, victim-blaming high horse.

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  2. Wow! I googled how to get back in and found your site. 🙂 I was in MK years ago when I was divorced and broke, living in a small town, and stopped simply because the market was saturated (my MOTHER became a consultant the month after I did–it was stupid) and I just let it go, using what product I had, writing off the loss of my minor investment mentally as a lesson learned.

    So here we see the reason you “failed”, too many people for too few potential customers. Having to compete with your own family for the scraps isn’t a good business move.

    A couple of years ago, there was a town in Ontario which had at least 8 Scentsy reps for less than 4,000 people. Now, there is only one and she runs all the town’s FB pages which are simply Scentsy ads all over the wall.

    Now, I live in a metro area, and though I see a car with an ad occasionally, I don’t see overt advertisement here. It looks like a more marketable area.

    You don’t see the cars because because corporate acknowledges that less than 1% of consultants are eligible for a car. I should imagine if you checked the consultant registry on MK’s website, you will find plenty of women trying to make their fortune.

    I will, however, never be silly enough to be forced to buy products I can’t sell.

    Good for you. I’m sure that you will be strong enough to face down the over exploitative director trying to force you into doing that.🙄

    Other than the most cost-effective introductory kit that I had to purchase all those years ago, and won’t ever have to do again, I would never buy in gross.

    Spoke too soon..
    🤦‍♀️

    After Mama died, and I had her remainders and mine when I recently moved, and all those shades of base that we just don’t have clientele for went in the trash.

    So much for Mary Kay Wagner Rogers Eckman Weaver Louis Miller Hallenbeck Ash’s company being Green.

    I’ll simply never do that again. I did use some of it for stage makeup and gave some away for Halloween costumes and for Christmas presents (along with Satin Hands sets and other products) to friends or acquaintances, but still had lots to toss in the trash–my point is, I won’t buy anything for which I don’t have orders.

    Let’s see what happens when your immovable object meets your new directors irresistible need to make end of month/quarter/ car requirements quotas. One of you is going to back down and she has sixty years worth of scripts to make her arguments sound reasonable.

    I won’t try to get people to be on my team, because I didn’t sign up so that I could be in multi-level marketing. I don’t believe in it and I won’t do it.

    So above.

    Being talked into taking out a LOAN to buy a huge inventory that you don’t know for sure that you have a market for is just to be blunt–STUPID.

    And cue.. the Victim Blaming™.

    I can’t fault Mary Kay for trying to push product–they are in sales. It is really a personal decision to TAKE OUT A LOAN.

    Except , again, sixty years of scripted arguments polished and shiny like a diamond Mary Kay ring .And just as worthless.

    Every person has the right to be stupid–and we’ve all done it a time or two.

    We have.

    Don’t blame the company for people’s BAD JUDGEMENT.

    I’m blaming Mary Kay Wagner Rogers Eckman Weaver Louis Miller Hallenbeck Ash’s company for encouraging women to make potentially devastating decisions regarding their family finances under the guise of making their lives better.

    EVERY one should develop a backbone and use it to help them stand when they say: “No, I’m not buying that. I only need this list of things.” ,/i>

    Again, see scripts. But sincerely, if you can do that and not be dragged into the Pink Fog then “Yay You” I guess.

    Much to my surprise, I am a wonderful salesperson, mostly due to my adherence to truth-telling in all situations, and people recognize and appreciate that.

    Mary Kay and the Truth. An oxymoron if ever I heard one.

    I have an independent insurance business, and have done several other sales jobs–teaching high school being one of the more fun of those.

    Primerica? WFG? Or a real insurance business which is going to be propping up your latest attempt at Mary Kay.

    I don’t NEED to sell MK, I just want to. I think it will give me an opportunity to meet people and meet their needs.

    There are plenty of ways to meet new people and meet their needs without trying to sell them over-priced make-up.

    I go on vacation with my husband, very occasionally, when I can work their schedules into ours, with my children. I do not need to go on trips with hundreds of screaming women who are excited about diamonds and rubies.

    Yeah, Ms. Introvert Angel here would hate that too.

    Proverbs 31:10 says that a the worth of a virtuous woman is high above rubies (intent being precious stones). Yes, I wear them, Mama left them, so I wear them, but it’s not that big a deal to me. Godly women wouldn’t be all about that part, would they?

    IIRC, Proverbs 31 doesn’t mention joining Mary Kay neither. And if you are following 1 Timothy 2.9, jewelry is not needed. Yeah, we know the Bible as well.

    I am a strong enough personality to NOT be forced to sell crap that I don’t believe in–I HATE the skin care, and won’t even attempt it.

    Interesting. I wonder how much your truth telling will stand up to your need to sell a product you don’t use. How in all honestly can you recommend such a product?

    I’m an oily, soap-and water girl, 44, and am guessed to be in my early 30′s regularly–the skin care doesn’t work for me, is certainly not worth the money for me, and I would never try to sell it to anyone. I don’t believe in it.

    Sighs.. see scripts. Your director won’t care if you don’t sell it, she’s just interested in you ordering it.

    I do, however, believe in the MK base. I believe 105 is my oh-so-ivory number. I miss it and the lipstick. I’ll pay the $20 to re-join, just so that I can have my base and lipstick for cheap, make some new friends, and sell to people who want to buy and have the discretionary income to do so. Anything else would be unethical.

    I hope your insurance business showed you how to do your incomings and outgoings so you can accurately chart your profits against the your expenditure and time spent on your business.

    I suppose I’ve said all this to say, it’s possible to sell Mary Kay without selling your soul. I know what you have to do to get a car, and frankly, I just bought a new car of my own–don’t need a pink one, no matter how COOL they may be.

    You may be able to sell Mary Kay and make a few cents in profits. And owning your own car is a good thing. But here is Mary Kay’s own figures showing you how much you should expect to earn in commissions, but MK really doesn’t care about how much you sell , it’s all about buying a rank.

    https://i.redd.it/7p73s2hz0bi81.jpg

    Don’t hate because you made the decision to throw thousands of dollars into the trash. If you are in and don’t like it, get out, or back down. If you don’t like your pushy upline, get out and find someone nicer to work with who understands your goals. I, for instance, don’t really have any serious goals, it’s more of a hobby for me, and the person I am reenacting (sic) under knows that.

    I hope you get out without losing too much money, but I doubt it. You are most likely going to find yourself propping up some-one else’s push to the next level, “just another order to get a star/a car/ a DIQ” etc.

    Your director doesn’t care what you want, you are just the latest in a long line of 💲💲💲.

    Don’t EVER pressure anyone to do anything against their husband’s will: THAT is totally against God’s plan for the home.

    God has nothing to do with Mary Kay, never has , never will.

    I don’t see anything wrong with someone making a valiant attempt to “sell it to him”. If he says no, and he is the Godly husband that he should be, then there are reasons that it’s a bad idea right now, and that lady should abide by his wishes. The Proverbs 31 Woman was in sales, by the way–that’s always a major point–her husband was very proud of her. 🙂

    I agree that major investments in either money or time should be discussed with your spouse. And I hope your idea of “selling it to him” isn’t following the Stidham’s advice about giving your husband a BJ to sway him.

    No, Proverbs 31 woman was far more than a sales woman for Mary Kay. She was a shrewd investor, she worked all the hours of her day, she had servants to do many of her tasks. She was also an ideal, not a real person because no one woman or man could live up to those standards.

    I apologize for the randomness of my thoughts. I appreciate your site and the pitfalls that you point out.

    Thanks, I guess.

    Young women need to understand what is truly expected of them to make MK a viable full-time business.

    It’s not just young women, though. Mary Kay tries so very hard to be accessible to every one with skin.

    MOST of us just aren’t up for that, and they need to know before they get emotionally involved and over-invest, which I’ve already stated. It’s a great idea for people who have money to spend to make money, or for people like me who don’t really intend to do it full time–which I know they hate, but it’s my decision–and yours.

    There are better ways to spend money to make money that Mary Kay or any other MLM for that matter. And, honestly, I don’t think you are going to make much money doing this but I hope you don’t get dragged into some other woman’s desire to “fake it till she makes it”.

    Blessings, ladies.

    Ave Crawley.

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  3. Oh, sure, make ME follow DA’s excellent takedown. However, this turgid, meandering, self-congratulatory, victim blaming, utterly clueless heap of prattle can handle as many takedowns as people feel like writing. I guess there’s a reason why “writing a coherent narrative” isn’t among Vanity Smurf’s many self-professed skills, although at least this one doesn’t claim to have wrote book.

    Besides, what else am I supposed to do at work – WORK??

    “I was in MK years ago when I was divorced and broke, living in a small town, and stopped simply because the market was saturated [snip] Now, I live in a metro area, and though I see a car with an ad occasionally, I don’t see overt advertisement here. It looks like a more marketable area.”

    That’s because most advertising is forbidden by MKorporate. I can guarantee that for every car with a bumper sticker you see, there are 10 that you don’t. The market is saturated everywhere.

    “I didn’t sign up so that I could be in multi-level marketing. I don’t believe in it and I won’t do it.” Oh for… MK is MLM. If you’re part of it, you’re part of MLM. Full stop.

    Taking this next snippet out of order: “Much to my surprise, I am a wonderful salesperson, mostly due to my adherence to truth-telling in all situations, and people recognize and appreciate that. I have an independent insurance business,”

    Let me guess: you’re one of those people who claims to be a straight-shooter who tells it like it is, and if you don’t like it you can suck it. I’ve never met anyone of that type who wasn’t a giant blazing asshole on wheels who used “honesty” as an excuse to insult and belittle people then try to blow it off with “I’m just being honest!” when you get pushback. Well, I’m going to give you the same courtesy for the rest of this post. I know you won’t mind, because, hey, people dig honesty amirite?

    Oh, and Primerica completely doesn’t count as an “independent insurance business”.

    “Being talked into taking out a LOAN to buy a huge inventory that you don’t know for sure that you have a market for is just to be blunt–STUPID. I can’t fault Mary Kay for trying to push product–they are in sales. It is really a personal decision to TAKE OUT A LOAN. Every person has the right to be stupid–and we’ve all done it a time or two. Don’t blame the company for people’s BAD JUDGEMENT. EVERY one should develop a backbone and use it to help them stand when they say: “No, I’m not buying that. I only need this list of things.””

    IT’S ALL YOUR FAULT!!! (hey, someone should right a song about that ;)) The blame lies square on Mary Kay. They are in sales insofar as their money comes from sales of inventory to consultants; they don’t track retail sales to outside customers. They have developed reams of “training” material devoted to exploiting a person’s weaknesses by flattering their strengths, and overcoming objections by hammering away until they give in. Silly mere mortals. Shame on them for having weaknesses, but if we were all as perfect as you, to whom would you get to feel so superior?

    Gosh, it’s a wonder that no one tried to “just say no” to anything before until Genius here thought of it. Just think – Nancy Reagan could have singlehandedly ended illegal drug use in America if only she’d thought to tell kids just to say no. Oh, wait, that did happen and the whole campaign was an utter failure. I bet Ms Awsome McAwesomeface here would have made it happen, though.

    “I am a strong enough personality to NOT be forced to sell crap that I don’t believe in–I HATE the skin care, and won’t even attempt it.”

    So whatcha gonna do when one of your customers orders skincare products, Ms McEpicSalesperson? Read them the riot act about how the product sucks and you hate it (thus losing them as a customer because no one wants to buy from a giant blaz… um, scrupulously honest person) or put their order through, thus revealing yourself as a giant hypocrite? Can’t have it both ways, sugarbeet.

    “I do, however, believe in the MK base. I believe 105 is my oh-so-ivory number. I miss it and the lipstick. I’ll pay the $20 to re-join, just so that I can have my base and lipstick for cheap”

    Yeah, it’s a shame how no other cosmetics company makes foundation for us white folks, isn’t it? Same way they only have one shade of lipstick and that’s it. Seriously, you can browse any retail outlet you want without paying $20 for the privilege and they will be happy to color match your foundation for you.

    A super-savvy businesswoman like you, of course, realizes you don’t get the 50% discount unless you place qualifiying orders of at least $250 quarterly. Clearly you’re cool with paying full retail for your lipstick and foundation because a trickle of customers reordering things here and there doesn’t add up to $1000 a year. I’m sure your hand-selected and oh-so-understanding recruiter explained that all clearly to you when you signed up.

    “Don’t hate because you made the decision to throw thousands of dollars into the trash. If you are in and don’t like it, get out, or back down. If you don’t like your pushy upline, get out and find someone nicer to work with who understands your goals. I, for instance, don’t really have any serious goals, it’s more of a hobby for me, and the person I am reenacting under knows that.”

    You poor dopes who suffered under the MLM system! All your suffering was so pointless and STOOPID! If only you’d thought to ask our correspondent for advice! The world is completely black and white with no nuance whatsoever! Of course you can switch directors willy-nilly just by asking! Of course they’ll quit trying to frontload you once you say “Swiper, no swiping!”… I mean, “no!”

    Oh, and your recruiter is happy to humor her for now, because you’re a new recruit to her so she gets a little bump in the old “love check”. See how accomodating she is in a month or two when you’re not making her any money.

    “Don’t EVER pressure anyone to do anything against their husband’s will: THAT is totally against God’s plan for the home. I don’t see anything wrong with someone making a valiant attempt to “sell it to him”. If he says no, and he is the Godly husband that he should be, then there are reasons that it’s a bad idea right now, and that lady should abide by his wishes.”

    God, schmod. Marriage should be a partnership based on mutual trust and respect, not a dictatorship. Yes, it’s bad to con someone into hiding something from their spouse, but imposing your will upon your spouse is just as bad. Not all men are financially savvy, men aren’t automatically more sensible by virtue of having a couple extra body parts, and they don’t count for more than their partner in deciding what’s good for the marriage.

    “Blessings, ladies.”

    I’ll take that in the spirit which it is intended, and right back atcha x10

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      • Traditionally, vampires did not reflect in mirrors or have their photos taken due to the purity of the silver used repelling their unholy images. Modern mirrors and photos do not have this failing so marketing to vampires is definitely a long term investment.

        My boy, Spike could rock a decent eye-liner and Drusilla and Darla both sported a red lippy or two during their after-lives.

        • Is that why vampires didn’t have reflections? That’s what I like about this place: I’m learning new things every day.

          Let’s not forget zombies and mummies and other moldy revnants. They can use all those ugly brown and green eyeshadows as foundation or rouge as well! And skeletons can paint their whole selves with nail polish!

  4. “I’ll pay the $20 to re-join”

    It will cost you more than 10x that every quarter just to remain eligible for the discount. That’s nearly $1000/yr.

    These folks just can’t manage to tell the truth. She can’t sell squat regularly without that ~$1000 annual comittment. It is highly unlikely she waits until she has $225 in wholesale before she places orders. Her customers are not likely to stand for that. So she has to guess and fill out the minimum order to satisfy one customer. Then what? More landfill candidates.

    Again…lies. The latter being a lie of omission.

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  5. I think we have a disconnect in the logic circuits! “I didn’t sign up so that I could be in multi-level marketing. I don’t believe in it and I won’t do it.” There is no way to join an MLM without being IN multi-level marketing the instant you sign the contract and get a spot in your recruiter’s downline. Every order you place supports the MLM you claim not to believe it.

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  6. I’m not sure I would brag about failing at the entry consultant level. Nor would I judge the directors on Pink Truth that achieved what almost nobody can…becoming a director in the first place. Yes they failed too, as everyone does. But it’s damn hard, practically impossible to sell or recruit for this pyramid scheme, so although I know they regret their choices morally, financially, and every other way, I must admire them for tenacity. Their comments on this site prove their intelligence.

    The MK scam is crafty and finely tuned over decades to manipulate women emotionally. You can’t throw around words like STUPID when talking about women who have been lied to and fallen victim to every biological psychological vulnerability that we are born with. Mary Kay doesn’t use logic or intelligence to prey on women. People make decisions based on emotion, not logic. It’s ingrained into us. Calling former MK’ers (like me) stupid for behaving like everyone else in the world does since the beginning of man IS stupid and ignorant and cruel. It is an attempt to reassure oneself that she can’t possibly be a victim herself.

    Take out your bible. Read about all the passages that advise you not to judge others. Then try again OP.

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  7. The thing that jumped out at me immediately upon reading this latest ‘rah-rah’ missive is how these women all seem to think they’re going to make a difference by justifying how they will do/are doing MK differently than the few ‘bad apples’ that are out there. It’s almost as though they are singlehandedly going to change our minds. The women who write these ‘MK is great and PT people are the fools’ emails are probably the same ones who go on social media to rant about everything from HOA rules to the lines at Walmart to their neighbor’s 7 am lawn cutting and think they’re going to change the world.

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    • Well put ElleBee. And what does “make a difference” mean anyway? Or “helping women” for that matter? By selling them beauty products? Get real. Or maybe…selling them a very, very elusive “opportunity”?

      Whether you are gouging your customers selling them grossly overpriced MLM products, or recruiting folks into a sales model which has been documented to extract money from 996 out of 1000 participants, you can’t call it “helping” women. “Harming” is a more appropriate word here. I also question whether the 4 in 1000 who are not losing money are really any better off.

      Get over yourself, OP.

      And that reminds me, “helping” is another word to add to the long list of terms misused in MLMs like Mary Kay.

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  8. “I have an independent insurance business, and have done several other sales jobs–teaching high school being one of the more fun of those”

    (For the record I am al licensed insurance agent in my state, I work for an agency that is licensed to sell all types of policies.)

    Insurance gets a a bad enough wrap by the public for basically being a legal Ponzi scheme….. IF this women works as an actual independent insurance agent with accredited insurance companies like Hanover, Hartford, Progressive, Gieco, etc…. I am curious how many current and potential insureds she’s gonna have leave or go somewhere when they see all the MK marketing I that office…. If you already think insurance is a scam, you probably aren’t a fan of pyramid schemes either and will probably shop for a new company.

    Given the national rate increase for homeowners and autos over the past few months, people are already very weary about the industry, being in an pyramid scheme probably isn’t the best marketing plan for an insurance office.

  9. If you follow bad advice and suffer for it, don’t just blame yourself for listening. You should also take note of who led you down the wrong path and be sure not to listen to them again.

    Everything this writer admits was “stupid” is what Mary Kay strongly encourages.

    Stupid: buy inventory you don’t need.

    MK advice: More inventory == higher “success level.” You can’t sell from an empty wagon. Your inventory is your ATM.

    Stupid: Sign up to sell into an oversaturated market, and recruit my own competition.

    MK advice: recruiting is the key to success. Be sure to present “the opportunity” to all your customers and to everyone you can warm-chat. Don’t worry about saturation; your market is everyone with skin.

    The fact is simply this: Mary Kay thrives by convincing as many as possible to heed their terrible business advice. Why would anyone want to work for such a company? Why would anyone once stung willingly go back?

    Mary Kay sucks everywhere, not just in small towns. The corporation works extra hard to convince its sales reps to take financially ruinous actions because those executive bonus checks ain’t gonna write themselves. Just stay away from that awful cesspool.

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  10. Ma’am, you would probably end up spending less money and time if your just got the foundation and lipstick you like from a current consultant. Or are you avoiding that because you don’t want the hassle of a consultant constantly trying to convince you to join her downline? Hm.

  11. “Now, I live in a metro area, and though I see a car with an ad occasionally, I don’t see overt advertisement here. It looks like a more marketable area.”

    Do you actually know how many competing Mary Kay reps are in your area? Will Mary Kay give you that number if you ask? As an experienced businesswoman, why would you assume you have a ready and willing customer base without doing any actual research first? You should know how many competitors are active in your area before you invest even a penny.

    “I don’t NEED to sell MK, I just want to. I think it will give me an opportunity to meet people and meet their needs.”

    But if they truly need MK, why can’t they buy it from the ladies who already have it on hand? I mean the ladies who naively ordered too much inventory and now need to get earn that money back. If there were enough local customers to support the existing consultants, why would those consultants be sitting there with so much unsold product? Here again, some research would tell you whether you’re meeting a real need or just fantasizing. (But will the MK Corp even give you the information you need to make an informed decision?)

    ” I won’t buy anything for which I don’t have orders.” If you don’t buy a certain minimum, you won’t continue to qualify for “wholesale” pricing. “Wholesale” is in quotes because, for all intents and purposes, the consultant turns out to be the actual retail customer. MK doesn’t even track consultants’ sales. (If I’m wrong about that, come back and post the evidence.)

    If MK ends up making you more than it costs, please come back next year with an update. I’m guessing you won’t be able to make it work the way you’re planning, but you’re welcome to prove me wrong if you can.

  12. If this wannabe-hun thinks that her small town was saturated years ago, she’s in for an unpleasant surprise. In a metro area, she is going to have a customer base that has easy access to department stores, Sephora, and Ulta, as well as Target and Walgreens (for those who want drugstore-quality products at drugstore prices). To find customers who are willing to buy MLM products, she’s going to have to compete against local MK consultants as well as those selling online on social media. Not to mention other MLM skincare/makeup brands like Younique, Beautycounter, and Rodan + Fields, plus other MLM companies who have added skincare/makeup lines (Norwex, Color Street, Origami Owl).

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  13. *sigh*

    Another Friday, another critic who is NOT a director, NOT a top rep, NOT anywhere near the top one percent of the top one percent (or whatever percentage) that manage to “earn” a Cadillac (let alone even make a barely-mid-level income.)

    When, oh when, will we finally get a visit from such a Mary Kay unicorn?

    Until then, YAWN. Thanks for playing, lowly “I can sell anything really good you guys” Mary Kay failure who didn’t learn the MLM lesson her first time around.

    Sorry I sound cranky, I just have such little patience for these loser huns. If only she had as little patience for MLM as I have for her, maybe she’d see the light and take her sales skills to a JOB that will reward her accordingly.

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  14. HOOEY! Hot mess and “

    “Don’t hate because you made the decision to throw thousands of dollars into the trash.” Um, didn’t you just say that you did the same thing?

    Come on! You know this is a joke

  15. HOOEY! Hot mess!

    “Don’t hate because you made the decision to throw thousands of dollars into the trash.” Um, didn’t you just say that you did the same thing?

    Come on! You know this is a joke

  16. If OP wants “base” and lipstick 💄 by Mary Kay,

    It seems there is a whole lot of that
    for sale
    on the internet…….

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    • MK consultants from the eighties, that’s who. Guess she’s been out of the game for a minute (er…decade) or two…

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  17. This is a little bit hard to follow. She seems to want to be a virtuous woman, sell the product, make money, not recruit, and run the business with integrity. Yet at the same time, she basically says ‘can’t blame MK for trying to sell’ and blames the victim when people are talked into taking out loans or otherwise manipulated. Excusing MK for doing what they have to do to make sales (lying and manipulating women into buying product they can’t sell) because they are a sales company is being complicit with the lying they do. I am betting either she will make pennies on selling an occasional product to a handful of customers here and there (probably friends and family making pity purchases), or will once again think she can sell, place a big order, and be stuck losing money on it. There are so many better ways and places to buy now including online in the privacy of your own home and having it shipped to your door or immediately picking it up at the drug store. In fact most other options of purchasing make-up don’t require a phone call to a sales lady and a sales pitch to buy more, arrange a time for drop off and pick up, or bring friends for some ‘pampering’ (and even if somebody likes Mary Kay that much, she can buy it on ebay for cheaper).

  18. I’m still trying to figure out how teaching high school falls under “sales.” 😂

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