Pink Truth’s Lifetime of Negativity
I have watched this over the years. Never commented. Today is the last day I will come here. I asked myself, “why would someone spend a lifetime spreading negativity about one company when there are certainly multi level businesses that deserve it more.” Well, I see the advertisements all over this site so all I can think is that it is money-related. Every time one of us come here, cha-ching.
I love my Mary Kay career. Was trained by Mary Kay herself. During a year of amputation earned $80,000, drove a Cadillac and that didn’t include my sales. Regarding weekly sheets. I have well over 100 people and five turn in those sheets and I have never turned in one and I have been in the court of sales eight times selling every piece of product I bought.
Have you read the Harvard study? Do you know the #1 National in the world is a Harvard graduate? Do you ever look for anything good? I have earned 19 cars with 38 years of driving Mary Kay cars in my 39 years.
Just because it doesn’t work for those of you who come on here and gripe doesn’t mean it doesn’t work for those of us who wouldn’t give up. I now do it in a wheelchair with one leg and I am still making it. I’m not as fast as I use to be, maybe not as good, but I believe when you change an outer look on a woman you change an inner feeling. In 39 years there have been more good times than bad.
But ask yourself as you read this garbage (and that is what it is). Why would someone spend their life trashing one company? She tried it and didn’t make it? Know people who tried it and didn’t make it? Doesn’t understand that Mary Kay or any other company isn’t for everyone. Apple isn’t for everyone. Facebook the company isn’t for everyone.
You have to find your niche in life. There is one thing I know. No one has ever come through my life that has not left with more confidence and pursued other dreams that came true. I have them come up to me and thank me for the influence I had in their lives.
I challenge everyone that comes here, look for joy not junk. I pray for you all that you find the company that works for YOU! Also, as a director we are under contract. If anyone chooses to pursue another company, they cannot use Mary Kay as the base of contacts. Therefore, they have to take one or the other. We are under contract. That is why they leave. They believe they have a calling helping people in other ways. Some will some won’t so what.
Everyone has a brain to decide what is best for them. I salute everyone who does. Goodbye to all of you who keep reading this trash. Personally, I love my Lord, Mary Kay the person, and Mary Kay the company. Through breast cancer, 40 surgeries on my leg, and amputation they have stood by me. I have never held another job in 39 years.
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“Year of amputation”???
Man, some of these huns will do ANYTHING to make production!
(Dear Popinki, please read the whole article before making jokes. Love, Popinki.)
I apologize for that; I ass-u-me-d “amputation” was some sort of autocorrect fail or specialized MK term I wasn’t familiar with. Making fun of peoples’ health conditions ain’t cool.
Don’t worry. I assumed that as well.
I agree that making fun of this is definitely not cool. However if using the characteristic as just a piece of information, I imagine there aren’t too many amputee Cadillac Drivers in MK. If one could identify her (not publicly doxxing, but just behind-the-scenes figuring out who she is), one might be able to calculate, via Applause and/or other sources, whether she truly is meeting the income claims she makes here.
You know, doing that super negative and unfair thing we do: determine if the TRUTH matches up with the CLAIMS.
No one here is identifying themselves, so why should she?
I identify myself all over the place, so who is this “no one” you refer to?
Also, no one suggested that she had to identify herself. Someone wondered if we could identify who she was.
Well, her specific claims of success can’t be corroborated anonymously. But she doesn’t have to identify herself if a reader here were able to determine who she is.
Rebecca, if you made the choice to join Mary Kay (or any other “network sales” company, pretty much) based on income claims that you see on their sales directors’ social media, you’d want to know that those claims are true, right?
You wouldn’t want to make a business decision (involving YOUR time and money) based on exaggerations and outright lies, would you?
Omg LOL
“ Everyone has a brain to decide what is best for them.”
Except for everyone here. Go throw rocks lady.
God has nothing to do with this
BTW, the old “taught at Harvard” canard has been thoroughly debunked and Harvard Business School is sick to death of hearing about it.
https://www.pinktruth.com/mary-kay-facts/not-taught-at-harvard/
If the #1 national in the world does have a degree from Harvard, A) that’s a checkable fact so thanks for that and B) doesn’t mean diddly-squat by itself. Being an NSD means she’s spent her life espousing an amoral, predatory system in order to elevate herself at the cost of financial ruin to others, therefore she sucks rocks.
According to kaybots, the MK Business Plan is not only taught at Harvard, but at “top Business Schools across the country.”
If their up-line said it, it must be true.
According to the googles, Gloria Mayfield Banks is the #1 Elite Executive National Sales Director in Mary Kay Cosmetics Worldwide, and does in fact hold an MBA from Harvard. Truth from Kaybot – who knew?
https://www.hbsaaa.org/s/1738/cc/21/page.aspx?sid=1738&gid=27&pgid=252&cid=108595&ecid=108595&crid=0&calpgid=15&calcid=14830
However, “She has built a multimillion-dollar enterprise, as an author, a founding partner of Charisma Factor, Inc. (a corporate event planning company), and as an Elite Executive National Sales Director with Mary Kay, Inc.” so how much of her wealth comes from MK and how much from even planning and book sales?
She’s created recruiting scripts designed to confuse, overwhelm and manipulate potential targets into signing up and frontloading. https://www.pinktruth.com/2021/03/02/overcoming-recruiting-objections/
And begged her consultants to spend $1200+ of their own money so SHE could claim the #1 top spot and get the glory. https://www.pinktruth.com/2011/07/23/gloria-mayfield-banks-needs-1200-wholesale/
And when it was coming up time to retire, sponsored tacky rewards to get people to order more inventory so that her retirement payout would be higher. https://www.pinktruth.com/2020/12/07/gloria-mayfield-banks-is-retiring-from-mary-kay/
She also calls herself “Doctor” on the basis of an honorary doctorate from a “where?” school, which is just pathetic. I’ve met people with phDs they’ve earned, some with several, and also medical doctors, who don’t go by “doctor”.
So, let’s see, exploitative, immoral, greedy, vain, manipulative… yep, she sucks rocks.
“Do you know the #1 National in the world is a Harvard graduate?” Yes, Gloria Mayfield Banks has an MBA from Harvard. That means she KNOWS the economics of MLMs means that money is coming from recruits, not customers, and she does it anyway. That’s true evil: when you know your money is coming from exploiting others and you do it anyway.
“how much of her wealth comes from MK”? And how much comes from marrying a man who is a contractor with a company big enough to bid in multi-million dollar public projects?
She’s earned over $14 million in commissions from MK. She’s one of the few who have made a ton of money off the backs of others in this pyramid scheme.
I’m sorry Pop, but I feel like your negative opinion of rocks is just wrong. Maybe you had an experience with “bad” rocks but those were just a few bad apple rocks. Why can’t you mention all of the GOOD rocks out there??? You’re just jealous of ‘Her Royal Highness EENSD Americus, the Pineapple of Success, Gloria Mayfield Banks’.
(I may be a big fan of The Curse Of Oak Island which features many allegedly important rocks carefully placed centuries ago by some Knights Templar and which has a new episode coming on tonight at 9PM EST on The History Channel…)
OMG I’m addicted to that show and I have a total crush on Gary Drayton. “Templars, baby!”
Rocks deserve better than to be mentioned in the same sentence as Gloria Mayfield Banks. They make excellent pets, keep my driveway from turning to Swamp Mushy-Muddy in the spring, and make up such natural wonders as the Grand Canyon and Mt. Everest. Therefore, I apologize to all the rocks out there, whether they be just laying there on the ground, shaped into beautiful buildings and statues, or hurling through space.
GMB can go suck spent nuclear fuel rods instead: useless, dangerous, and they contaminate everything around them.
I’d love to read this Harvard study. Please send it to me.
You’d think it would be linked at the Mary Kay website for every-one to read or to send to the disbelievers as proof, wouldn’t you?
I’m sure she has a copy filed alongside the tax returns showing her $80K (plus sales!) in income and all the loving, supportive get-well cards from her MK sisters.
I imagine something like “Get well soon or you’ll lose your unit. You can still follow up leads while you’re laying there doing nothing. Make sure you give a Satin Hands set and business card to your oncologist and offer the opportunity to the phebotomists. Love, Your Nashy-Nash”
Bye Felicia
I have watched this over the years. Never commented. Today is the last day I will come here.
If this site has bothered you for so many years, why did you keep coming back? It seems to me that reading here isn’t a profitable activity.
Never commented before? Did you expect a prize for ability for not doing so.
This is not a train station, you don’t need to announce your departure.
I asked myself, “why would someone spend a lifetime spreading negativity about one company when there are certainly multi level businesses that deserve it more.” Well, I see the advertisements all over this site so all I can think is that it is money-related. Every time one of us come here, cha-ching.
I don’t see adverts as I have an ad-blocker on. I would suggest you do the same. Sadly. ads are the bane of the internet these days.
I love my Mary Kay career. Was trained by Mary Kay herself. During a year of amputation earned $80,000, drove a Cadillac and that didn’t include my sales.
Oh, that sounds like an income claim and the FTC doesn’t like those. Nor does Mary Kay Wagner Rogers Eckman Weaver Louis Miller Hallenbeck Ash’s legal division.
Regarding weekly sheets. I have well over 100 people and five turn in those sheets and I have never turned in one and I have been in the court of sales eight times selling every piece of product I bought.
I guess I have to take your word for this but as you haven’t provided any evidence to either I’m seriously doubting you.
Have you read the Harvard study?
No, have you? More importantly if it exists, why isn’t it pasted all over the Mary Kay website as uncontroversial proof of how good the system is?
As Popinki pointed out earlier, you and I haven’t because it doesn’t exist.
Do you know the #1 National in the world is a Harvard graduate?
And? She also has a husband with a highly successful construction business. I know which one is supporting the other. Hint, it’s not the MLM business doing the supporting.
Do you ever look for anything good? I have earned 19 cars with 38 years of driving Mary Kay cars in my 39 years.
Yes but I haven’t found any thing yet. And another income claim.
Just because it doesn’t work for those of you who come on here and gripe doesn’t mean it doesn’t work for those of us who wouldn’t give up. I now do it in a wheelchair with one leg and I am still making it.
You are not offering us proof to believe it is working for you. So it is hard to take you at your word.
I’m not as fast as I use to be, maybe not as good, but I believe when you change an outer look on a woman you change an inner feeling. In 39 years there have been more good times than bad.
That is subjective.
But ask yourself as you read this garbage (and that is what it is). Why would someone spend their life trashing one company?
A lot of us here don’t find the I stories of many people, women and men, garbage. It is highly distasteful for some-one to to dismiss their words, to deny what they went through.
Or do you consider the words of IBCs looking for help only to be dismissed by their directors as garbage? Or the bitching behind the scenes in directors groups as garbage? Is it that we are showing these ladies in their own words and actions to be less than desirable role models?
She tried it and didn’t make it? Know people who tried it and didn’t make it? Doesn’t understand that Mary Kay or any other company isn’t for everyone. Apple isn’t for everyone. Facebook the company isn’t for everyone.
There are plenty of websites out there bashing Apple and Facebook, Amazon and Disney. I doubt if the people rolling in the megabucks over in those companies give a flying fig about them.
You have to find your niche in life.
Being snarky about companies or individuals who actively harm others especially women is my niche. That and shovelling snow. Or preventing snow melt getting into my garage. It’s time for degelee!!
There is one thing I know. No one has ever come through my life that has not left with more confidence and pursued other dreams that came true. I have them come up to me and thank me for the influence I had in their lives.</I.
You go, Glenn Coco.
I challenge everyone that comes here, look for joy not junk.
I’m looking for joy but only finding snow and water.
I pray for you all that you find the company that works for YOU!
Please use your prayers to better every-one’s lives. I don’t want or need your prayers. I found my joy in being a housewife and mother. Not in exploiting other people for my own gain.
Also, as a director we are under contract. If anyone chooses to pursue another company, they cannot use Mary Kay as the base of contacts.
Yeah, that’s how it is supposed to work. I have my doubts as to it not happening.
Therefore, they have to take one or the other. We are under contract. That is why they leave. They believe they have a calling helping people in other ways. Some will some won’t so what.
We talking about Monique here?
https://www.pinktruth.com/2022/09/16/monique-anthony-now-at-vasayo/
Everyone has a brain to decide what is best for them. I salute everyone who does.
I’m using mine to not be exploited or to exploit others.
Goodbye to all of you who keep reading this trash.
Welp, I’ve come to the conclusion that you hate us showing your the words published by directors that illustrate the practices behind their success. The manipulations, the lying and the bitching of those higher up the company. Again, no-one cares that much that you are no longer reading here.
Personally, I love my Lord, Mary Kay the person, and Mary Kay the company. Through breast cancer, 40 surgeries on my leg, and amputation they have stood by me. I have never held another job in 39 years.
After nearly 40 years, you must be looking forward to retirement. There must a a large 401k waiting for you. Oh, no there isn’t. Since you appear not to be an NSD, there won’t be anything waiting from them.
“I asked myself, “why would someone spend a lifetime spreading negativity about one company when there are certainly multi level businesses that deserve it more.” ”
This one always puzzles me. “We’re not the worst!” isn’t really a great endorsement of your company.
Join us! We’re not the worst.
The perfect tagline.
I agree about the “we’re not the worst” being a dumb argument. It’s like saying to your local Prosecutor “why are you trying the guy who only shot and killed ONE person when there’s another guy who killed THREE people???”
I follow something called Statement Analysis, wherein the words used (or NOT used) in a statement can help determine parts of the statement that are questionable as to their truthiness. One main aspect SA points out is when the person leaves out their “I” as the subject of a sentence.
Such as: “I love my Mary Kay career. Was trained by Mary Kay herself.”
The second sentence is quite awkward without the “I”, as in “I was trained by Mary Kay herself.” And our critic here does this several times. SA experts strongly suggest that such sentences are most likely untruthful.
Also I LOVE this (and will use it for my narcissist diva “friend”):
“This is not a train station, you don’t need to announce your departure.”
As always, props to you DA!
Dear OP-
I am an MBA (not from Harvard) and read and analyzed the Harvard Business School Mary Kay case study as part of my studies in the 80s-90s. It’s merely an overview of MK’s business model. It’s not an endorsement of MK or MLMs in general by HBS or anyone else.
“I pray for you all that you find the company that works for YOU!”
Did that, and guess what? It ain’t MK or any other MLM. It’s called nursing, and I’m damn good at what I do. I actually make a difference in the lives of others. Also, quit praying for me. You don’t know me. You don’t know anything about what I need or want.
“I have never held another job in 39 years.”
So tell me about the pension and retirement you have after 39 years in MK. I’m going out on a limb here and saying that you probably don’t have one. If you have something, it would likely be an IRA (maybe a Roth) where you’ve put money. But MK does not offer a pension or retirement plan to the consultomers or directors.
In an attempt to be positive, I will say that this particular MK apologist can actually communicate coherently in writing.
I’m not going to bother with the actual content of the article. You can put lipstick on a pig (even MK lipstick) and it’s still a pig.
She’s been doing this for 39 years – so do we have an NSD lurking on here? Because who dumps 39 years of their life into something that gives them zero return for retirement?
When I was in MK in the early 2000s, my SD had seven first line offspring and 3 second line. She didn’t make NSD by 60 (which was the cutoff at the time), and then didn’t make it by 65 (when the extended the age). She earned the top director trip once, and drove a pink Cadillac until September of 2022, when she fell to the Equinox. She currently has five first line, four second line, and two third line offspring, only one of whom (a first line) is a ‘top director’, having earned the trip in 2020. That director is her only Cadillac driving offspring. She celebrated 50 years as a consultant in 2022. Fifty years on the crazy hamster wheel, knowing for the last ten years that you’d never become an NSD. Fifty years and you’re no longer driving pink. Fifty years and no pension or company retirement. Fifty years and no Medicare when you retire. Fifty years.
Wait? No Medicare? Why? Is it like Social Security, where the benefits are based on earnings?
I think you have to pay into it. I’d have to check my pay stub but I think you pay into Medicare and since MLMers are 1099 contracted employees, they don’t.
Medicare is based on work credits/quarters similar to social security. People think Medicare is free for everyone, but it’s not. It has costs; if you don’t have the work credits, your Medicare part A (hospital coverage) premiums will cost you a small fortune. If you qualify, part A doesn’t cost you anything for premiums. There are also deductibles for part A. Part B is for your doctor visits and such. Your premium costs are based on your income (which does include social security). Part B also had deductibles, co-insurance, and a monthly premium. Having said all of this, Medicare ain’t free.
So in this SD’s case, a lot depends on how she’s filed her taxes and what all she has claimed. It IS possible to claim the work credits as a sole proprietor.
39 years of heading up a money-losing operation. Every MLM downline from the beginning of time has created cumulative losses overall…including hers. The other non-MLM companies she mentions actually create positive pay for everyone in the company.
It appears OP actually takes pride in pilfering the minions in her own downline. She’s right this is not for everyone…especially not for people with morals.
All MLMs deserve criticism and scrutiny. Bop on over to YouTube and search “anti MLM”. You’ll find PLENTY of content.
“No one has ever come through my life that has not left with more confidence and pursued other dreams that came true.” How many of the people in your downline left with a stockpile of unsold product, large credit card debt and battered self-esteem? How many of them did you blame for being quitters, not having a high enough deserve level, and not working hard enough?
“No one has ever come through my life that has not left with more confidence and pursued other dreams that came true.”
^ This statement of hers really bothers me. What an extreme level of narcissism! And delusion. So for example, the poor waitress who had to serve this Directors’ table during Seminar and received a “tip” that was an MK sample and “business” card was so moved by it that she pursued other dreams (like “JFC this pyramid scheme “tip” is the LAST STRAW” and left waitressing to become a paramedic or similar).