Wrinkles To You!
I am a new Mary Kay consultant of roughly a month’s experience, and I just discovered your website today when seeking information on how to “warm chat” if you’re plagued with paralyzing shyness.
I’m glad I didn’t know about Pink Truth before today, because I may not have signed up with MK if I had seen all the negativity being splattered all over your site. It’s one thing to lay out “truths” (which are completely subjective) for unwitting newbees in an attempt to ward them off of the “evil corporation” that is Mary Kay, but to disallow people who have made a successful go of it to post all the good they do, or to simply defend themselves and the company is absolutely disgusting.
Yes, there happens to be a very large turnaround for Mary Kay independent Beauty Consultants, but it is also true that if a woman has a negative experience working with Mary Kay, it is her OWN fault!
When I signed up (I sought out my personal consultant and asked how to join because I needed another career option and some extra money), I was warned that to make a career out of my Mary Kay business, actual work was required. I believed that, and I’m taking it seriously, and I know that if I fail at this, the onus is mine. Starting out, I haven’t made much money yet… But I haven’t regretted taking this leap to better myself and my situation for one moment.
Wrinkles to you for slandering a company that has helped so many people, and continues to do so. You can keep your snark and your cynicism; I’ll take the money and the friends I’m making and all the opportunities in front of me, and I won’t give your sad little website a second thought.
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Wonder where this consultomer is today.
Oh, honey. No.
Studies done by tax accountants show that 99.9% of people lose money in MLMs when you look at their MLM product purchases vs. income. Mary Kay’s own income disclosures statements posted by the lovely Frosty Rose on this site show that 85% of the sales force earned $0/year in commissions. 85%!! The next tier (12% of consultants) earned $208 in a YEAR in commissions. That’s life-changing money, huh?
With numbers like that, is the onus really on the consultant if they’re not successful? Really? 99.9% are lazy losers who don’t want to earn money?
She’s going to be waiting for money and friends for a looooong time. I see no reason to think that the conclusions of this study aren’t still valid – Only 3178 of the 26,279 consultants (12.1%) were selling enough to equal or exceed the take-home pay of a teenager working 10 hours a week as a minimum-wage burger flipper after school.
http://lazygardens.blogspot.com/2015/09/mary-kay-home-business-opportunity-or.html
And only 0.4% actual make more than they spend.
I stacked the deck as much as possible to Mary Kay ,,, “For the purposes of this analysis, I assume that all IBCs buy at the full discount price and immediately sell at the full retail price.” And I used their estimates of expenses … it was still dismal.
Sign me up!!!!!! I’ll be rolling in the dough!
Please cite your sources for “this company has helped so many people” 😊
https://www.pinktruth.com/mary-kay-facts/myth-of-mlm-income-opportunity-99-lose-money-in-mlm/
Which is starkly contrasted by this claim by Ms. Wrinkles
Yes, there happens to be a very large turnaround for Mary Kay independent Beauty Consultants, but it is also true that if a woman has a negative experience working with Mary Kay, it is her OWN fault!
You can’t declare it’s helped many women while also thinking IF it didn’t then you are a “Lazy Looser”.
“Wrinkles to you for slandering a company”.
Sigh once again for the people in the back –
Slander is the term for making an oral defamation
Libel is the the term used when the statements have been printed.
“Wrinkles to you for slandering a company that has helped so many people, and continues to do so.”
I will need your definition of “helped” and your definition of “so many.”
In reality, May Kay helps the very “few” at the top bilk the “many” in their own downline. The downline must lose money for the very top of the up-line to see a profit.
All of this talk about “production” and awards, titles and seminar is all a distraction from the damning reality that no Mary Kay downline can ever be profitable as a whole. Whether you start your analysis with a kingpin at the top, a director in the middle or a recruiter near the bottom, from that point downward the downline (including all current and former participants) spends more than it makes…it is bleeding money.
Promoting the Mary Kay system (which in over 5 decades has yet to produce a single profitable downline) as an “opportunity to make money” is wrong no matter how you try to spin it.
I am a new Mary Kay consultant of roughly a month’s experience, and I just discovered your website today when seeking information on how to “warm chat” if you’re plagued with paralyzing shyness.
Have you tried wearing your pin upside down and asking a “sugar sharp” woman if there’s a problem? Maybe insert yourself into some-one brunch conversation. But I’m sure if “you find a way, make a way” and if you bee-LIE-ve it hard enough you’ll succeed. I mean Waverly did and so did Elizabeth/Katie.
I’m glad I didn’t know about Pink Truth before today, because I may not have signed up with MK if I had seen all the negativity being splattered all over your site.
How is it negative to show what the directors are talking about behind your back? What is negative about posting the income disclosure so that the company’s own facts and figures can be seen? Why is some-one’s personal experiences, their “I Story” negative?
It’s one thing to lay out “truths” (which are completely subjective) for unwitting newbees(sic) in an attempt to ward them off of the “evil corporation” that is Mary Kay, but to disallow people who have made a successful go of it to post all the good they do, or to simply defend themselves and the company is absolutely disgusting.
The wonderful thing about the internet is that any-one can create a website to support their worldview. If (general) you want a blog devoted to the “wonders of Mary Kay Wagner Rogers Eckman Weaver Louis Miller Hallenbeck Ash’s company”, go forth and make one. No-one is stopping you. But here , we are allowed to post by Tracy. She decides what she wants on her blog. Many content creators don’t allow any-one to comment and that’s their right too.
Yes, there happens to be a very large turnaround for Mary Kay independent Beauty Consultants, but it is also true that if a woman has a negative experience working with Mary Kay, it is her OWN fault!
Wow!! So, so, so much victim blaming. 99% lose money and yet it’s their own fault. But a longer study of the web-site shows the opposite. 99% DID everything by the MK Book and still failed. The fact that you have only been doing this for a month and are flailing around for ideas must mean something. Ask your director to match her time with your energy.
When I signed up (I sought out my personal consultant and asked how to join because I needed another career option and some extra money), I was warned that to make a career out of my Mary Kay business, actual work was required. I believed that, and I’m taking it seriously, and I know that if I fail at this, the onus is mine.
Setting up a self-fulfilling prophesy. You’ve already brainwashed yourself into a victim blaming mentality so that when you fail, you won’t look critically at the reasons why, the fact that the odds are heavily stacked against you that you are bound to fail. You’ll continue to believe that it was your fault, just like it was the fault of all those hundreds of thousands of other women who didn’t “go give”.
Starting out, I haven’t made much money yet… But I haven’t regretted taking this leap to better myself and my situation for one moment.
A month in and you haven’t made much money. So you are scouring the internet looking for something that you can cling onto in the vain hopes of success. Already the Fabled Director’s Scripts have let you down.
Wrinkles to you for slandering a company that has helped so many people, and continues to do so. You can keep your snark and your cynicism; I’ll take the money and the friends I’m making and all the opportunities in front of me, and I won’t give your sad little website a second thought.
And yet another non-polite, non-friendly Mary Kay Wagner Rogers Eckman Weaver Louis Miller Hallenbeck Ash-bot. Full of the milk of human kindness.
You’ve already admitted you haven’t made much money and we know you haven’t made many real friends. Sooner or later, you’ll remember us and come back looking for something to ease your pain. We’ll help you and not want anything in return.
“I was warned that to make a career out of my Mary Kay business, actual work was required. I believed that, and I’m taking it seriously, and I know that if I fail at this, the onus is mine.”—
Fail at doing what? That is the question.
If you understood the MLM system, you would know that that means recruiting new people using lies and half-truths to get them to spend money on “inventory” and personal use products. Those downline orders will fund your commission checks. Said another way, your downline must lose money for you to make money.
You tell recruits it’s an opportunity to make money, but you actually NEED them to lose money; that’s the scam, the lie. Do not be fooled, MLM is not about retailing products for profit.
Comprehension Test: You are someone’s downline, aren’t you? Can we assume your upline wants to make a commission check? And where does their commission money come from? Did they tell you it was an opportunity for you to make money? Or were you an opportunity for them to make money?
To fail as an MLMer is a good thing. It means you’re a lousy liar and terrible at scamming others. You are not okay seeing your friends, family, and downline as dollar signs for yourself.
“Fail at doing what? That is the question.”
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“To fail as an MLMer is a good thing. It means you’re a lousy liar and terrible at scamming others. You are not okay seeing your friends, family, and downline as dollar signs for yourself.”
Char, you always get right to the heart of the matter. When MLMers say they did not work hard enough, you always ask, “Work hard at what?” In the case of Mary Kay, that’s always “ordering” and “recruiting”.
I love how you are able to point these MLMers back to the unethical core MLM underpinnings they are promoting and engaging in. We all need to do more of this!
I really appreciate your comment. Thank you DJ.
Oh, honey… you are so wet behind the ears you don’t know up from down right now. Once that pink cocaine high wears off, you’ll be right back here, looking for answers and confirmation that your “feels” were right. You’ll be back here, wondering if your failure was YOUR fault (MK makes it that way on purpose — it’s called gaslighting). If you really want to make extra money, go find a part-time job that offers a real paycheck.
Also, opinions and experiences are not slander. Learn and know your legal definitions so you don’t look like an idiot.
Thank you Tracy for posting Pink Truth critics on Friday. They never get old. 😊
I think u have discovered pt and came across this site b/c your internal voice was telling you the things that you read on here are true. When you come to the realiziation that this is not the opportunity that was presented to you and that all those things you have heard, Mary Kay sells itself (well if it does then why does MK need consultants, oh, to buy their product that won’t sell. You came across this site to learn how to “warm chat”, don’t you know that people can see right through that and know that you are not sincere, just trying to recruit or get a customer. Also, the one word that all KAYbots use that give them away is PAMPERING? Don’t you deserve to be pampered? I know as soon as that word comes out it is a Kaybot. When you are not selling, booking parties, not seeing the pink rainbow that was sold to you and you question your director you will get platitudes like the speed of the leader is the speed of the gang, you need to show up to go up, you are not putting forth enough effort, and when you have all the inventory in your house that you can’t sell you will be told well, no one held a gun to your head and it is your fault that you are not selling (it isn’t really, b/c mlms are set up for those at the tippy top get the $ while those at the bottom lose $ and make no $). I wish you had discovered PinkTruth before you signed up for Mary Kay. It is not someones’s fault for failing in an mlm, it i the nature of the beast. A lot of the posters on here are former directors, cadillac drivers, etc. When you decide to leave MK you will not have any MK friends. The negative experiences that those have encountered in MK are those peoples truth. Right now, you have pink stars in your eyes and can’t see clearly. It really isn’t very nice to wish wrinkles on us, but I am sure MK has some wonderful product to get rid of them. When you realize that MK is not what you were promised these ladies will be happy to help you return your inventroy and get your money back less 10 percent. Most mlms are set up for failure, be it Pampered Chef, Tupperware, Avon, etc. You really need to read the income disclosure statements of the mlms.
If Pink Truth is actually slandering MK, why hasn’t MK sued PT? Not even once? Because these truths are legit, objective truths. There’s a thing called discovery in lawsuits and MK wants absolutely NO part of that. None.
If You pay mary kay for products you are a customer not a worker!!
“I was warned that to make a career out of my Mary Kay business, actual work was required. I believed that, and I’m taking it seriously, and I know that if I fail at this, the onus is mine.”
No, dear lady, it isn’t. The onus is on a system that’s setting you up to fail.
If you don’t believe that, would you be willing to try a brief experiment? If so, then ask your director to show you her Schedule C tax returns for the last five years. How much, total, has she spent on her business (including both product and other expenses), and how much total revenue has she earned from sales and commissions? When you subtract expenses from revenue, how much remains?
Then ask her how many competitors are currently working within a 20-mile radius of you.
Finally, ask her why she and the Mary Kay corporation itself don’t track your final sales to actual customers. If consultants are really making money, why aren’t those sales a major Mary Kay talking point?
If this opportunity is all you hope it is, surely she’ll be willing to give you straight answers, right?
As someone who’s potentially investing a significant amount of money into your business, answers to these three questions are the least that you’re entitled to.
If she had found this website, she may never have joined – I imagined she would have saved herself a lot of money, time, and heartache if she found this site and never joined. Also, all those ‘friends’ will disappear if you decide MK isn’t for you. People who are good at chatting up strangers find very few people willing to buy or join and don’t make money in MK, it is hard to see somebody with paralyzing shyness warm chatting strangers with any success. I’m sure her warm market will get very tired of hearing about it very quickly and she will burn out. Also, the amount of work doesn’t equal success in this system. Of course you have to work to be successful, but way more than likely you won’t be successful even if you work. She could stalk strangers at Target all day for a week, make phone calls to everyone she knows, stalk old classmates on Facebook and have not a dime to show for it (whereas if she got a real job, she would at least have a paycheck). Sad thing is many who are ‘successful’ are only earning a pittance for the amount of time, money, and energy spent on this ‘business’. Hopefully she was smart enough not to buy a lot of inventory, but from the tone of this letter it sounds as if she has already drunk the Kool-aid.