Stop Blaming Mary Kay
I’ve never felt a “need” to have haters, and I had no idea that Mary Kay needed haters. Glad we can help!
With my MK business, I don’t have a store at all, yet I seem to do just fine with it. I have several customeers who are out of state even. I make enough in my business to pay all of my bills and have extra cash for whatever.
MK is also a numbers game. You can’t get discouraged or take it personal when someone tells you no, you just have to play out the numbers. I will admit, direct sales of any kind isn’t for everybody, but why try to turn everyone away? I’ve come across this site and pink truth several times by researching info to help me grow my business, and all I read is negativity. If you spend as much time being positive about something as you do at being negative, you could possibly change.the world.
Everyone needs haters, and if someone is hating on you or what you do, then you are obviously doing something right! I’m sorry that MK didn’t work out for ya’ll, and I’m sorry that you feel you have lost friends bc of it, but don’t blame the company as a whole, or even the vast majority of the consultants and directors.
Just like at any store, you run into people who are inconsiderate, and pushy, and when that happens, what do you do? I’m willing to put $$ on the fact that you either go to another store, or you don’t go to their register. Same thing with MK, you don’t like the consultant for whatever reason, then talk about your concerns with her, and if that doesn’t work, then find another consultant. I’m sure that if you tell the new consultant your concerns, she will damn near leap mountains to make you a happier customer.
Yes, MK may have a turnover rate, but look at the resturant business, or even retail stores, they have huge turnover rates too. All of my customers and even team members are happy with MK as a product and as a company. But like it’s been said several times before, anything worth having is worth working for. And fact is, I know several women personally who are millionaires who made their millions starting off as a consultant just like me.
If your director pushes you, it’s only to help you achieve your goals. She has her own goals for herself and as a unit. The only way to achieve any goal is to work toward it, no matter what it is. And any business you may start, whether it be MK, resturant, or even mechanics, you have to work at it to keep it going.
Also, to truly see any significant profit, no matter what the business is, you have to give it a min of 3-5 years. If you quit before then, then you just gave up. So, stop blaming MK, or even consultants for your misfortune, we didn’t hold a gun to your head and make you do anything you didn’t want to do. It’s pretty funny tho how our marketing plan is taught in top universities including Harvard! Think about it, why would it be taught if it didn’t work?
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I swear that there has got to be some sort of “Pink Truth for Kbots” generator out there, loaded with all their cliches and favorite victim-blamey phrases. For added convenience, I imagine it has settings labeled “coherent, txtspk, and SPLABBERING RAEG!!!”
At least this one didn’t hit the radio button for “optional blessing”.
You say, “I make enough in my business to pay all of my bills and have extra cash for whatever.” … well, that is a bold claim that would need evidence. Are you bold enough to send your tax returns and MK business records to the owner of this site?
We didn’t hold a gun to your head!!!!!!
“Everyone needs haters…” THIS. This is LESS than mindless. As stated here on PT countless times, send along your appropriate MK earnings proof, so we can all be proven fools on fool’s errands.
P.S., by participating in the pyramid scheme, you actually ARE hurting people. PT folks AREN’T hurting folks. As stated above “we didn’t hold a gun to your head…” to come here, read, and write your ignorant letter.
“Everyone needs haters, and if someone is hating on you or what you do, then you are obviously doing something right!’
Um, since people hate Pol Pot for the whole genocide thing, that means he was doing something right?
Wow, lots of gaslighting here and lots of falsehoods (like your marketing plan being taught at Harvard).
Like others, your claims of income need factual support. Let’s see that schedule C.
With my MK business, I don’t have a store at all, yet I seem to do just fine with it. I have several customeers (sic) who are out of state even. I make enough in my business to pay all of my bills and have extra cash for whatever.
I’m happy that you appear to not have any inventory laying around your house since I’ve seen far too many pictures of IBCs offices packed with MK products. I’ll have to take you word about making money since you provided no proof.
MK is also a numbers game.
✨✨Ding Ding Ding✨✨ we have a Winner. Except our dear Friday Critic doesn’t understand just how the odds are stacked against her.
You can’t get discouraged or take it personal when someone tells you no, you just have to play out the numbers.
Increasingly, the numbers are against you. There are plenty of anti-MLM spaces out there now. Too many women, and men, are explaining what happened to them while in MLMs.
I will admit, direct sales of any kind isn’t for everybody, but why try to turn everyone away?
If direct sales isn’t for everybody, why I am being told “anyone can make an executive wage from part-time work”? Why is it “faith first, family second, career third”? We are NOT trying to turn anyone away, we are just pointing out the facts and figures behind the painted façade. The screenshots of how your directors talk about (general) you behind your backs.
I’ve come across this site and pink truth several times by researching info to help me grow my business, and all I read is negativity.
The negativity is coming from inside Mary Kay Wagner Rogers Eckman Weaver Louis Miller Hallenbeck Ash’s house.
Our experiences are just that, ours.
The figures we show are those from the corporation sites.
The screenshots come from various Facebook groups devoted to Mary Kay.
If you spend as much time being positive about something as you do at being negative, you could possibly change.the (sic) world.
Alas, we are being positive and we are changing the world. You, ma’am, just don’t recognise it yet.
Everyone needs haters, and if someone is hating on you or what you do, then you are obviously doing something right!
Since you appear to hate US, then by your own logic We ARE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT!!!!
I’m sorry that MK didn’t work out for ya’ll (sic), and I’m sorry that you feel you have lost friends bc of it, but don’t blame the company as a whole, or even the vast majority of the consultants and directors.
If you have read here at all, then you would have discovered that many of the women were successful in terms of Mary Kay success.
“I’m sorry you feel” ..no ma’am.. YOU are not sorry at all. That is a non-apology.
Why shouldn’t we blame the company? Or the directors who promised the world and and then told us it that was our fault when their training is sub-standard?
Just like at any store, you run into people who are inconsiderate, and pushy, and when that happens, what do you do? I’m willing to put $$ on the fact that you either go to another store, or you don’t go to their register.
If they are other customers, then I can ignore them. If it’s staff, and on a regular basis I will probably never shop there again. Providing I have the luxury to shop at another location and am not in a food desert.
Same thing with MK, you don’t like the consultant for whatever reason, then talk about your concerns with her, and if that doesn’t work, then find another consultant.
What IF I don’t want a MKBot? What happen if she constantly phone me or texts me? She’s been told “that no doesn’t mean no”. Why would another consultomer be more sympathetic?
I’m sure that if you tell the new consultant your concerns, she will damn near leap mountains to make you a happier customer.
But what happens if I just want to be left alone? I now have two of them trying to force me to buy something.
Yes, MK may have a turnover rate, but look at the resturant (sic) business, or even retail stores, they have huge turnover rates too.
While this is a valid point, I feel it has gone over your head. The retail business fluctuates with purchasing trends, like Blockbuster. McDonalds would never allow two stores to be close to each other while Starbucks made a point of doing so in some areas to drive out alternative coffee shops.
All of my customers and even team members are happy with MK as a product and as a company.
Are they or is that what you choose to hear?
But like it’s been said several times before, anything worth having is worth working for. And fact is, I know several women personally who are millionaires who made their millions starting off as a consultant just like me.
Can we have the names of these “lucky” ladies? And who they are married too? For full disclosure.
If your director pushes you, it’s only to help you achieve your goals. She has her own goals for herself and as a unit.
Her goal is to enrich herself, you are just there to make her money and get her a car. If, on the off-chance, you make a few dollars, then you’ve done your job.
The only way to achieve any goal is to work toward it, no matter what it is. And any business you may start, whether it be MK, resturant (sic), or even mechanics, you have to work at it to keep it going.
If you go into business for yourself, you should have looked into where you want to be based? Does the locale need my services? Do I have competition? Do I have the number of potential customers to enable me to expand later?
Also, to truly see any significant profit, no matter what the business is, you have to give it a min of 3-5 years. If you quit before then, then you just gave up.
Maybe, maybe not. Sometimes, it’s preferable to quit while you are ahead.
So, stop blaming MK, or even consultants for your misfortune, we didn’t hold a gun to your head and make you do anything you didn’t want to do.
Maybe not a physical gun, no. But the gun of social obligations is a different matter. And equally destructive.
It’s pretty funny tho (sic) how our marketing plan is taught in top universities including Harvard! Think about it, why would it be taught if it didn’t work?
Who are the professors teaching it? Which universities? Which school of learning, law or business? Do you know the name of the tome which discusses the MLM marketing plan? Does it describe the pros and cons?
The fact that you, Ms. Friday Critic shallowed this piece of information without hesitation shows that you have not fully explored this fauxoptunity critically.
“look at the resturant business, or even retail stores, they have huge turnover rates too’
The difference between working in/for those businesses vs a MLM/direct sales scheme is that even if I work for one hour, I am guaranteed to be paid. it doesn’t even matter if I actually sell anything to anyone, I still make money. Unlike selling for any of the MLM companies.
Plus, a lot of people working at restaurants and retail stores are seasonal help, because businesses are busier at some times of the year than others. A lot of them are students or are laid off once busy season ends. It’s a business decision based on help needed vs. payroll budget, not because you’ve entered into the MLM system which is set up to guarantee that 99% of those who try will fail.
While that is true, the major distinction is that the restaurant and retail businesses are generating most of the funds from outside customers, not the workers themselves.
If it really is about selling for an MLM company, why are you encouraged to recruit your customers? Why can’t you climb the ladder based on sales alone, without recruiting and ordering?
Forgive me, but I don’t like the reference “selling for an MLM company” because retailing is merely a by-product of its intended “business” model. That business is, recruit people who order, who recruit people who order…..direct from the company. Retailing products is a talking point to throw people off the scent of the actual pyramid scheme con game, aka “recruiting for an MLM company”, not selling.
Sure, a few outside sales do happen, but ask anyone in MLM if that’s their preference. Retailing/selling is a consolation prize. Plus, anyone who pays retail for an MLM product is an idiot.
All roads lead to recruiting, not selling.
“anyone who pays retail for an MLM product is an idiot.“
I’ve been binge watching an ESSD on YT. Today’s nugget was her boasting that she sold several Miracle Sets! How did she do it?
They were “buy one, and get second one at 75% off.”
Lurkers, if you’re thinking of joining MK for “50% profit on everything you sell”, forget it.
It’s just bait to reel you in.
Ooh let’s dig into that. The miracle set retails for $116.
Buy one get one at 75% off means she collects $145 from the customer and gives them 2 miracle sets.
The miracle sets cost her $116 total, so she just made $29.
$29 gross profit. On sale that they told you would make you $116 in gross profit if you’re selling at full price.
This is unsustainable and not worth your time, dear consultant. They’ll tell you it’s okay and in the future you’ll get full price sales to this customer. No you will not. Just ask Chelsea, who is continuously discounting all products 40% or 50%, which means ZERO profit on product sales.
“It’s pretty funny tho how our marketing plan is taught in top universities including Harvard! Think about it, why would it be taught if it didn’t work?”
Could you provide a source for that?
It’s entirely possible that some Harvard professor once taught a unit on the MLM model, and mentioned Mary Kay as an example, or something along those lines. But can you provide any source to show that Harvard actually endorses the MLM model?
I suspect that whatever was said about Mary Kay, it got blown out of proportion and twisted to sound like an endorsement instead of, say, a case study in how MLMs work. But please take some time and check it out for yourself, before you go spreading what is very likely false and misleading information. And if I’m wrong, please come back and set the record straight (with sources!), because the whole point of this website is to present factual information.
If I remember correctly … it was a “business case study” that studied how she used such paltry rewartds and got such a BIG effort. Having a business case study doesn’t mean you are doing great things. Enron, Theranos and the Texas power grid all have case studies.
Okay, I got curious and did a little checking of my own. The results were very interesting!
As I suspected, there have indeed been at least a couple of case studies of Mary Kay done by individuals at Harvard. They’re available for purchase online. However, since I’m not really motivated enough to pay for them, I can’t report on the contents. Obviously, a case study isn’t necessarily an endorsement. Some case studies examine what a company did right while others examine what a company did wrong.
However, there is a professor at the Harvard Business School, Dr. John Kotter, who met Mary Kay and invited her to speak to one of his classes. (I believe this was some time in the late 70’s or very early 80’s.) He was apparently quite charmed by her, and very impressed with the way she had overcome personal adversity to found such a successful company.
But Kotter was dealing with Mary Kay and her company at the corporate level. No one can deny that Mary Kay Corporation has been successful as a corporation. In the interview I read, Kotter doesn’t appear to have investigated the financial outcomes for individual beauty consultants. And this is a crucial distinction: Kay Corp’s success as a company is an entirely separate matter from the success of its beauty consultants. The consultants can, as a group, fail financially even though Mary Kay Corp itself is financially healthy. So while Kotter greatly admired the woman and her company, he was looking at it through a narrowly focused lens. As long as the corporation itself is sound, then from a business point of view, the welfare of the customers is irrelevant. (And make no mistake, if you’re a Mary Kay consultant, YOU are the primary customer. The company only tracks your purchases, not your sales.)
So please keep all this nuance in mind when you say that Mary Kay is taught at Harvard. Because, even though there’s a germ of truth to that, it doesn’t mean what it’s been twisted to mean.
The comparison to retail and restaurant killed me, literally laughed so hard I peed a little.
Industries known for brutal hours, overbearing/boundary-crossing management, dogshit pay scale, and being impossible to advance in without already being at the top or at a significant advantage.
Ya know, the reasons people quit them. The cognitive dissonance is baffling.
Excuse you, “resturant business”.
>>funny tho how our marketing plan is taught in top universities including Harvard! <<
I have to believe as mentioned, it was a one off case study or speaking engagement, because as a class that is "taught" as they love to say what is this "marketing plan" being taught?
"Book sell Book Recruit " The only thing on the syllabus. Sounds pretty bush league for Harvard, pink hun. Give that one up.