1. Mary Kay is not as bad as you had imagined…

   No, it’s worse.

   It only reflects the kind of leadership you are in…

   And that is ONE of the problems. The rot starts at the head.

   Like anything under the sun, electricity can be bad cause I can kill you with that. In other ways, in can be good too, because with electricity I can now use my laptop to make a comment on this blog…hehehe

   You’re not the Joker, you do not need to punctuate with giggles.

   Same with Mary Kay… Mary Kay is neutral… It can either be good or bad…

   Hang on, needle scratch. I though Mary kay was a company with built in integrity. Faith first and all that. So shouldn’t the default be good?

   Yeah! I can see there are some bad practices Sales Directors and National Sales Directors that are creating this negative image… And it is Dishonesty…

   And how are you combatting this in your own sphere of influence? If you know of bad practices shouldn’t you be confronting them?

   I have been a Mary Kay Independent Beauty Consultant for 4 years now.. I have friends who are Sales Directors already but I chose not to go for Directorship at this time of my life and I’ll tell you why… ?

   I’m sure this won’t be a storyline we’ve heard before./sarcasm.

   It takes a whole lot of awareness to be a Mary Kay Independent Beauty Consultant and pray to God that your Sales Director has Integrity in doing business with you. ?

   🚩🚩 If I’m having to pray that my director is one of the good ones…🚩🚩🚩

   You are only deceived because you allowed the person to deceive you.

   The deceit starts somewhere. It doesn’t spring from nothingness. That someone thought it necessary to lie to you isn’t (general) your fault. Let’s place the blame where it starts. The one who practices to deceive not the one who knows no better.

   Ouch! Yes, truth hurts and I realized this too… If you said No, there’s nothing they can do to you. If they insist, be persistent with your No, too.

   Ma’am, you are talking about a group of women who are told “no means maybe”, “no means I need more information”, “no means yes”. That the twelfth time is the charm. There are scripts that bulldoze any and all arguments against saying no.

   Your Sales Director can only suggest that you Move Up but it is still up to you if you want to move up.

   And then the pressure starts. This is a company who have spent 60 years getting the objections smoothed out of the way.

   In my case, my Sales Director encourages me to be one of them already but I said I am not ready yet. I only violate one of Mary Kay’s philosophy that is God First, Family Second, Career Third… My baby is still 3 months old so it’s a No No for now…

   But shouldn’t your baby be the Why In Your I Story???

   My SD has nothing to do but to wait for me to decide when I am ready… Good thing, she respects my decision. ?

   Why the question mark? It sounds like you don’t believe that your SD does respect your decision.

   Directorship journey should not be forced. If you feel it inside you that you’re not ready yet. Tell your SD honestly like what I did. Because even if you passed the DIQ Level, once you become SD, you will be having a hard time keeping up with the target unit sales…hehehe

   And you have hit the nail on the head. Unit Target Sales or rather Orders since that is what is tracked. Once your orders are dispatched Mary Kay doesn’t care if they are sold to a third party or not.

   Fake it till you make it… I also disagree with this quote… You cannot fake something because someone might recognize you’re faking it. It’s my experience by the way. You need to be honest with your customers and friends.

   Something we agree on.

   Also, realize that we have this so called Money Blueprint – this will tell you how much money can you keep inside your bank account or whatever… For ordinary person, like me, my money blueprint is only for ordinary person.

   Personally I’d like to keep all my money from Mary Kay and other MLMs.

   This will take more years of personality development inside me to get a SD income without any faking or dishonesty along the process. Because, income or earnings is directly proportional to your personality development.

   Then you will never be a successful SD if you are unwilling to be dishonest. The system is dedicated to spreading lies, half-truths and misinformation.

   That’s why managers or business owners are paid high.

   Business owners are frequently the lowest paid in the company until it becomes a success because they put their staff first knowing that they can depend on them in good times as well as bad. Managers are paid high not because of personality but because of skills or knowledge they have built up over the years. They bring value to the company and are paid to reflect that.

   And don’t expect right away that you can sell easily your beloved Mary Kay products. It takes time to know the product and experience the product yourself. ?

   Valid point.

   That’s why it is important to choose your recruiter more importantly your SD, to what unit you belong. Because in my case, I really decide to transfer to a new SD because my old SD and his unit members are hypocrite I should say…hahaha!!!

   Ma’am, you are one exclaim point away from the top of the Pratchett Scale of Insanity. I am happy that you are confident to remove yourself from a toxic situation.

   Why Mary Kay after all this and actually there are more… Because, at the time when I was having depression only Mary Kay gave me income that I can still eat a decent food. If I go to work, no one will hire because of my depression.. And if they did, I cannot manage to stay long with my job…

   If you are truly an IBC, you are not making bank. You need those far more reliable commissions that you gain from having a downline than the hope of some paltry sales.

   As for your depression, don’t sell yourself short . Plenty of other women and men work with depression and other disabilities, visible or not, and are successful. I wish you the best.

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2. “This will take more years of personality development inside me to get a SD income without any faking or dishonesty along the process.”

   To sell Mary Kay ethically, you must not recruit, do not frontload, don’t sell to family and friends, and finally, direct your customers to purchase directly from the MK web site to remove your financial risk.

   My guess is your SD is pressuring you to do the opposite of each of these things. Why? Because these things are in HER best interest, not yours.

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   • That list *should* be an eye opener.

     I wonder if OP is as honest as she says she is when she recruits? “I’m recruiting you because I make a commission off your order and future orders. The bigger your order, the better for me. You are also growing MY team and helping me climb the ladder.”

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   • @Dislike Please explain. What info do you not think is accurate?

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   • Wow DJ, up to three dislikes now! I am perplexed. Seems no one wants to respond to my post and explain why.

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     • That’s a record for me. Do I get a special MLM-like title for this accomplishment?

       “Senior National Executive Commenter Extraordinaire” maybe?

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3. The random question marks are actually pretty telling.

   And this is yet another example of how MK is akin to an abusive relationship – she’s 100% victim blaming.

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4. All I read here was a boatload of gaslighting and passing the blame.

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5. “You are only deceived because you allowed the person to deceive you.”

   Which is the whole point of this website: to tell the other side of the story, so that people don’t have to “allow” themselves to be deceived.

   The people who post here devote a lot of time, thought, and energy to exposing deception. Thank you for acknowledging (however unintentionally) the value of their efforts.

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