Fourth Time is the Charm!
Apparently the fourth time is the charm for this Mary Kay consultant, since she failed the first three times she tried MK. She just didn’t work hard enough!
Hi, I understand where everyone is coming from. I have read all of the comments. However, I know women who are very successful in Mary Kay. Any time you have a business, you are going to invest money and time to make it work. If you don’t work, you don’t make money.
Not all women understand how to balance career and family. It does have its ups and downs, yes, but it is sales.
Yes, you invest time, yes, you invest energy.And some money to get started. It’s a business. A job.
People look at this opprotunity as something they don’t have to work for and you get all these benefits. I have signed up to be a consultant 4 times in my life. It did not work the way I thought it would or should the first few times. However, I did not do what I needed to either. I thought it was some sort of magic business that when you sign up money just came to you without really having to do much. WRONG.
You do have get out there to meet people. I have talked to complete strangers about Mary Kay in the grocery store. But I really do care about women, I want them to feel good about themselves. I want them to be able to make money on their time and not someone else’s. It’s not all about me. It’s about helping everyone find that extra money they need for whatever life throws at them. They also need to know that there are other women that were once where they are, but now have to money to take that vacation, or help take care of their aging parents. Maybe not all women will be top sales directors. But they can at least pay their bills without having to break their backs doing so.
You do have to work. But you work at your own pace. You don’t have to climb the ladder of success and be at the top. You can have a solid customer base, have time for yourself , family, and make money. You can not let people pressure you to be a Team Leader, or Director if you don’t want to.
Do what is comfortable for YOU!
Work your business smart, not hard. You can do it. But do what is right for you ultimately.
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I wish she would come back & tell us how her 4th time as a consultant went. Was she successful this time or was she part of the 99% who lose money?
She just spouts empty statements of “You can____. I want them to ____.” Without an any evidence that these things are actually possible.
Hi, I understand where everyone is coming from. I have read all of the comments. However, I know women who are very successful in Mary Kay.
Hello, however I don’t think that you have read ALL of the comments otherwise you would have realised that most of the commentators here were very successful in terms of Mary Kay Success.
Any time you have a business, you are going to invest money and time to make it work. If you don’t work, you don’t make money.
I’ll take Stupid Platitudes for $500, Alex.
Not all women understand how to balance career and family.
Could you be a little less patronising, hmm? Women have had to balance a home life and work since we became a communal species. The ideal of the Stay At Home Mother for all social classes is a very recent development in our history.
It does have its ups and downs, yes, but it is sales.
We are starting to fall back into very familiar but boring territory.
Yes, you invest time, yes, you invest energy.And (sic) some money to get started. It’s a business. A job.
It maybe a business, but it does not belong to (general) you. It is, however, a job which you have very little control over.
People look at this opprotunity (sic) as something they don’t have to work for and you get all these benefits.
What benefits?
I have signed up to be a consultant 4 times in my life. It did not work the way I thought it would or should the first few times.
were you sold the lie of “Executive Pay For Part-Time Work”? Did you Bee-LIE-Ve that products would fly off your shelves?
However, I did not do what I needed to either. I thought it was some sort of magic business that when you sign up money just came to you without really having to do much. WRONG.
WOW!!! Your up-line really sold you the whole illusion. And you bought it, hook, line and sinker.
You do have get out there to meet people.
And by meet people, you mean hound them until they give in.
I have talked to complete strangers about Mary Kay in the grocery store.
Did they want to talk to you?
But I really do care about women, I want them to feel good about themselves.
Really?
I want them to be able to make money on their time and not someone else’s.
You care so much about random women that you want them to lose money while enriching your mutual up-lines?? Doesn’t sound very caring to me. And your so-called “their time” comes at the expense of their family’s time.
It’s not all about me.
No, it’s not . It about Mary Kay Wagner Rogers Eckman Weaver Louis Miller Hallenbeck Ash’s need for money. Or at least, her family’s need for money.
It’s about helping everyone find that extra money they need for whatever life throws at them.
Given that so very few make money, I’m not sure that is a comforting fact.
https://www.marykay.ca/-/media/images/mk/united-states/canada/esuite/footer/earnings-representation-bilingual-0223.pdf
They also need to know that there are other women that were once where they are, but now have to money to take that vacation, or help take care of their aging parents. Maybe not all women will be top sales directors. But they can at least pay their bills without having to break their backs doing so.
I refer you to the link above regarding how pathetic (general) your chances are of making a sustainable living from peddling cheap make-up.
You do have to work. But you work at your own pace.
Yup, got to pace yourself for that 29/30/31st of the month panic ordering.
You don’t have to climb the ladder of success and be at the top.
That’s because the “Ladder of Success” is a lie.
You can have a solid customer base, have time for yourself , family, and make money.
Is that Solid Customer Base™ in the room with us? If a consultant regularly sold enough to make a reasonable living post taxes and other expenses, they would be selling ITRO $8,000-$10,000 retail a month. And we would know about them because they would be held up as the Gold Standard for all other consultants.
You can not let people pressure you to be a Team Leader, or Director if you don’t want to.
Sadly, it’s not what (general) you wants, it’s about your up-line and their needs. If they need another DIQ, then they can and will use all of their persuasion to get you into that sweet for them spot.
Do what is comfortable for YOU!
What’s comfortable for me is not joining Mary Kay Wagner Rogers Eckman Weaver Louis Miller Hallenbeck Ash’s company or any other MLM.
PTC, you talk about selling the opportunity, with no mention of selling the product. Selling the business of selling the business is endless-chain recruiting, which is not a real business, is mathematically unsustainable, and if no one in your downline is selling product, is literally illegal.
Statistically speaking, MLMers must build and maintain a downline of at least 249 people, on average, before turning a true business profit. Are you sharing this with your recruits? This cannot be done “part time”. If you have a downline smaller than this, you are likely to realize true, recurring, cumulative business losses, where cumulative expenses exceed cumulative income.
Please stop promoting this as an opportunity to be worked part time. You will likely have to work at least full time just to break even in Mary Kay. If you are not sharing just how hard it is to build and maintain a downline of this size, you are misleading your recruits. Annual rep churn exceeds 50% in MLM, and probably approaches 80% in Mary Kay. If you don’t know why you need a downline this size, you should not be promoting any MLM business…you are just a pawn.
Why do you need a downline of this size? For starters, on average, 99.6% of MLMers lose money. That translates to 4 in 1000 that are NOT losing money. For every every person breaking even or turning a profit, 249 must lose money. This ratio cannot be improved upon, because the loss rates are built into the business model of these product-based endless-chain recruiting schemes.
It is not possible to turn a profit in MLM without lying about the opportunity. Promoting the scheme without sharing the very real prospect of losing money is dishonest at best. Selling Mary Kay as an opportunity to make part time business income is similarly dishonest. To quote the current US president, “Don’t”.
You do not get to keep your “customer base”
If you don not recruit, them, your Director will!
“I have talked to complete strangers about Mary Kay in the grocery store. ” No. You have HARASSED women who just wanted to buy food and go home! This is NOT the point you think you are making.
“However, I know women who are very successful in Mary Kay.” … But you’re not one of them.
“However, I know women who are very successful in Mary Kay.”
How do you define “successful”? To me, being successful in Mary Kay would mean that you’re consistently able to sell all or almost all of your inventory for the suggested retail price. It would mean keeping your own expenses (including things like seminars) to an absolute minimum, in order to maximize your profits. It would mean making significantly more money from your “business” than you’re spending.
So, these successful women, are they doing that? Do you know their actual numbers (revenue vs. expenses)? Have you seen their Schedule C’s, to know for sure that they’re turning a profit?
If you’re judging their success by their lifestyles, then you may well be deceived. For all you know, their lovely homes/clothes/cars/vacations are the result of crushing debt that will eventually lead to financial collapse. So please don’t tell us how successful your acquaintances are unless you have the numbers to back it up.
Also, please don’t approach me to talk about Mary Kay while I’m shopping. I’ll do my best to brush you off politely, but inwardly I’ll be feeling a mix of pity, annoyance, and just plain cringe.
You do not care about women
Notice how she quickly flips from telling us the business “is sales” to “I want them to be able to make money on their time and not someone else’s”.
She continues, “It’s about helping everyone find that extra money they need for whatever life throws at them.”— So, recruit “everyone” you can, right? But if you’re recruiting everyone to sell products, who will you sell products to?
But then she says, “You can have a solid customer base, have time for yourself , family, and make money. You can not let people pressure you to be a Team Leader, or Director if you don’t want to.”
Thing is, consultants cannot make enough money ”to take that vacation, or help take care of their aging parents” without recruiting, which OP is clearly attempting to do and advocating for. Four attempts probably taught her that.
Regarding a customer base, any retail markup a consultant makes does not benefit upline. Retail customers also stop the chain of recruitment for upline expansion and advancement. The only small benefit to upline would be to replace the inventory (production orders); but when you’re one person selling from a home without protected territories or pricing, how much can you really be expected to sell and make? Especially when you’re encouraged to recruit your own customers by upline! Plus, any “good customer” should/can just sign up as a PUC and buy at 50% all the time. You also have consultants needing to “make production” who are willing to sell at a major discount. (Still with me?)
She advised, “Yes, you invest time, yes, you invest energy.” Is that “working smart” or “working hard” because she said, “Work your business smart, not hard.” I assume by smart she meant recruiting and building a team. Ya know, duplicate yourself. But I thought, “This is sales.”
Oh, I get it now. You are in the sales business of selling the opportunity to sell the opportunity, aka the pyramid scheme business. In fact, and did you know that you never have to sell a product to a non-affiliate retail customer to make money in Mary Kay.
There is so much contradiction by this MLMer, my head is spinning.
What was that Wikipedia page from the other day? Oh yeah, “cognitive dissonance”.