No Means No
TLDR: no one can make you do what you don’t want to do as an adult be an adult and use your words.
I’m still in MK. I know that there are IBC’s who are horrible people and do force their team mates to buy more product than that can handle. But this ranting commenter is right. No one should be able to force you to do something you don’t want to do.
When I was first recruited I was asked if I wanted inventory. I said no I don’t have enough money for it. My director said that was fine but having things on hand does help. And that was that. I’ve been placing orders and just delivering them to clients or just sending what they ordered right to their house.
If you let someone force you in to buying so much product you can’t move then that’s on you. Your director can’t “fire you” or “punish you”.
If you are recruited go right to Mary Kay University (the training) and watch ALL of the Law stuff they have. It tells you what you as a consultant can and can’t do and even what directors can and can’t do. So, if you find yourself talking with a director and they’re attempting make you buy more than you’re comfortable with do the following- take screen shots of any messages, record conversations (look at your state laws as some states are two party consent), save emails and when you have enough proof agains this horrible director REPORT THEM TO CORPORATE!!!
Then asked to be moved to another unit. There may be other units in the area you can be apart of that actually follow company guide lines.
While I’m not a Mary Kay millionaire- Mary Kay has help me quite a bit. I’m not rich and successful but I am gaining social skills and other entrepreneurial skills that I don’t feel I could’ve gained any other way. I’m 23 and still socially awkward in some sense but ever since joining Mary Kay I have actually kind of grown out of that and I’m still growing out of that social awkwardness.
No Mary Kay isn’t a terrible company it’s just that some people who are signed up with the company are terrible people themselves and sully the name. Because keep in mind it doesn’t matter what job you have with her is an independent position doing whatever it maybe or a regular 9-to-5 there’s always gonna be somebody that you work with that is going to make your job a terrible. They’re going to ruin the experience for you and essentially you’re going to hate that job and probably even blame the company for not even firing that person despite all the crazy shit that they’ve done to you and other people.
While I understand the Mary Kay is not exactly a perfect company this very amped up ranter Is correct when she says that no one can really make you do something that you don’t want to do. Because being a grown adult means that you need to have the mindset to say no to another person if you can’t say no to another person even as an adult you’re going to find yourself in some hard spots it doesn’t matter whether you’re working a business of your own that’s not Mary Kay or something else you’re going to find yourself in a hard spot. You need to be able to look someone in the eye and say that’s not what I wanna do, it’s not what I’m comfortable with, I don’t have the financial means to do all that crazy shit Yada yada yada whatever the excuse might be. Because as a grown adult nobody should be able to make you financially ruin yourself.
And this isn’t just about Mary Kay either this is about other independent positions like with Avon in Tupperware and it works and other companies that have similar positions. Besides being a Mary Kay agent I also do health and life and property and casualty insurance that’s where my main income comes from but I recognize that if it anytime my up line or my manager tells me something that I’m not comfortable with I have the smarts to say oh this is not something I want to do or I can’t do that at this time.
My whole roundabout point is is that when somebody asks you to do something that you’re not comfortable with you need to have the mindset to say I’m sorry but I can’t do that use your words don’t sit there and let them threaten you because it doesn’t matter what company you’re a part of they more than likely can’t do anything to you. And not something that I’ve had pounded into my head over and over again as a young adult I can make my own decisions but I can’t let somebody else try and make decisions for me I have to be able to use my words and communicate in an effective manner so people understand where I’m coming from so they won’t ask me again.
We all know that no means no. So make sure people understand that. Not matter where you work, you need to be an effective communicator and stick to your guns so people know you say what you mean and you mean what you say. Because for people with high social intelligence the slightest bit of doubt they’ll just keep doing what they do you need to be strong and what you say.
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1. Talk to text is not this person’s friend. Breathe! Then go type it out. Then edit!
2. Corporate knows all these over ordering shenanigans. They don’t care. And they most certainly won’t move you to a different unit. Tried that, several times. They. Don’t. Care.
3. No means no, except when no means next. Or no means “I need more information.” Or maybe it means “not now but ask again in a week.” All of these are MK scripts. There is no MK script for “no means no.” And your director is not going to accept your no because she can’t afford to. AND, back to point two, CORPORATE KNOWS AND DOES NOT CARE because they’re the ones who set up this system in the first place!
PTC, what about the qualifying minimums? You say you can’t “make” someone buy more than they need, but Mary Kay does exactly this, every quarter. Your first order of the quarter must be $225 wholesale, or you lose your discount and free shipping. Are you holding your customers’ orders until you have at least $225, or are you ordering more than you need to fill that first order?
The initial inventory purchase is only one way Mary Kay gets you to over-order. The qualifying minimum is another. Combined, these two are what fill the homes of IBCs with surplus inventory that will never sell. Good for Mary Kay, not so good for the IBC.
So please stop repeating the lie that IBCs are free to not order more than they need. Mary Kay policy assures a steady stream of over-ordering to keep the cash flowing to MKC and the upline.
You don’t address the LIES told to consultants by their uplines. The half truths, the peer pressure, the screening of potential recruits to find their hot buttons.
“No one should be able to force you to do something you don’t want to do.”
Are you ten and angling for a later bedtime or something? Try telling that to the IRS after not paying your taxes for a few years because you didn’t feel like giving them any money. Or the cop who pulls you over for running a red light because there was no oncoming traffic so why should you have to stop. Or the code enforcement official who cites you for having unshoveled sidewalks because you think a solid layer of ice looks so pretty,
“If you let someone force you in to buying so much product you can’t move then that’s on you. Your director can’t “fire you” or “punish you”.”
No, she can’t “fire” you because she doesn’t employ you. You’re both independent resellers within the MLM instead of being part of a normal organizational structure. However, she damn well can punish you because she can just freeze you out, harass you, spread nasty rumors about you, steal your customers, place bogus orders in your name, and publicly humiliate you at unit meetings.
“I’m 23”.
I’m 48. Some people here were in MK for longer than you’ve been alive. Kindly concede that we might have a teeny-weeny edge on you in the life experience department.
“Besides being a Mary Kay agent I also do health and life and property and casualty insurance that’s where my main income comes from but I recognize that if it anytime my ***>>>up line<<<***:
Shilling Primerica doesn't make you an insurance rep.
"… or my manager tells me something that I’m not comfortable with I have the smarts to say oh this is not something I want to do or I can’t do that at this time."
And they can't fire you because you don't actually work for them. You're all independent contractors within the MLM. Try that in a real job with a real manager.
"Because for people with high social intelligence the slightest bit of doubt they’ll just keep doing what they do you need to be strong and what you say."
Let me guess: English major!
I don’t have enough coffee in me yet to read or digest all of this tripe.
TLDR: no one can make you do what you don’t want to do as an adult be an adult and use your words.
Thank you, oh Wise One!
I’m still in MK.
Now, there’s a shocker.
I know that there are IBC’s who are horrible people and do force their team mates to buy more product than that can handle. But this ranting commenter is right. No one should be able to force you to do something you don’t want to do.
Ah! but they don’t force you, that’s the beauty of it. It’s much more subtle than that.
When I was first recruited I was asked if I wanted inventory. I said no I don’t have enough money for it. My director said that was fine but having things on hand does help.
See??She’s baited the lure.
And that was that. I’ve been placing orders and just delivering them to clients or just sending what they ordered right to their house.
So far, at least.
If you let someone force you in to buying so much product you can’t move then that’s on you.
Like i said, they don’t force you, they allow you to be-LIE-ve it’s necessary.
Your director can’t “fire you” or “punish you”.
Not fire you but can certainly punish you. This story (https://www.pinktruth.com/2024/11/05/why-i-did-not-become-a-sales-director/) shows how a director withheld her aid to passively stop some-one from becoming a director.
If you are recruited go right to Mary Kay University (the training) and watch ALL of the Law stuff they have. It tells you what you as a consultant can and can’t do and even what directors can and can’t do.
University…😆🤣😆🤣I believe the word you are looking for is legal and not law. Just because it says that you CAN’T do a thing, doesn’t mean that people obey the rules.
So, if you find yourself talking with a director and they’re attempting make you buy more than you’re comfortable with do the following- take screen shots of any messages, record conversations (look at your state laws as some states are two party consent), save emails and when you have enough proof agains (sic) this horrible director REPORT THEM TO CORPORATE!!!
And good old corporate will file your complaint in the round filing unit.
Then asked to be moved to another unit. There may be other units in the area you can be apart of that actually follow company guide lines.
If that happens, you will go in with the reputation of “snitch” and “back-stabber”. The other IBCs will be less inclined to help you.
While I’m not a Mary Kay millionaire- Mary Kay has help me quite a bit. I’m not rich and successful but I am gaining social skills and other entrepreneurial skills that I don’t feel I could’ve gained any other way.
I gained a lot of my social skills aged 16-20 working part-time on the cash desk of my local supermarket. There’s no such thing as a Mary Kay Millionaire.
I’m 23 and still socially awkward in some sense but ever since joining Mary Kay I have actually kind of grown out of that and I’m still growing out of that social awkwardness.
I’m 60 and still socially awkward at times.
No Mary Kay isn’t a terrible company
It is in fact a terrible company with an infrastructure designed to extract as much money from their consultomers and put it in the pockets of corporate.
it’s just that some people who are signed up with the company are terrible people themselves and sully the name.
Danger, Will Robinson. Why would I join a company that’s is riddled with bad actors? Ms. PTC isn’t showing Mary Kay Wagner Rogers Eckman Weaver Louis Miller Hallenbeck Ash’s company in a good light here.
Because keep in mind it doesn’t matter what job you have with her is an independent position doing whatever it maybe or a regular 9-to-5 there’s always gonna be somebody that you work with that is going to make your job a terrible.
Yeah but I’m being paid for working with them, not paying for the privilege of working for them.
They’re going to ruin the experience for you and essentially you’re going to hate that job and probably even blame the company for not even firing that person despite all the crazy shit that they’ve done to you and other people.
That’s always a risk but you can clock out and not worry about that person until the next day. I am rarely spending my leisure time in their company. I certainly wouldn’t be paying to sleep in a bed with them to save money on a mandated trip.
“TLDR: no one can make you do what you don’t want to do as an adult be an adult and use your words.”—
I think it is she who forgot how to use her “listening ears”. A near child coming here and preaching to us. We, who have decades of MLM analysis, and who don’t benefit financially from the advice – an important distinction.
Miss Young Adult sounds overly defensive about her insecurities, and she keeps reminding us, oddly, that she is an adult, and that no means no. Something happened to this poor girl in her childhood. JMHO. Sadly, she is the kind of person these con artists like to target.
While I understand the Mary Kay is not exactly a perfect company this very amped up ranter Is correct when she says that no one can really make you do something that you don’t want to do.
Because there’s a lot more nuance than “no means no”.
Because being a grown adult means that you need to have the mindset to say no to another person if you can’t say no to another person even as an adult you’re going to find yourself in some hard spots it doesn’t matter whether you’re working a business of your own that’s not Mary Kay or something else you’re going to find yourself in a hard spot.
This isn’t a word-counted essay.
You need to be able to look someone in the eye and say that’s not what I wanna do, it’s not what I’m comfortable with, I don’t have the financial means to do all that crazy shit Yada yada yada whatever the excuse might be.
That’s when all those nicely polished scripts come into play. Mary Kay has spent 60 years polishing off all the lies and excuses so they have the perfect come back to your feeble attempts to justify your position.
Because as a grown adult nobody should be able to make you financially ruin yourself.
Nobody should but MKBots flip the script so you do it yourself, willingly.
And this isn’t just about Mary Kay either this is about other independent positions like with Avon in Tupperware and it works and other companies that have similar positions.
So all MLM companies are created equal.
Besides being a Mary Kay agent I also do health and life and property and casualty insurance that’s where my main income comes
Primerica or WFG?
By this logic Bernie Madoff should have walked free. After all, no one forced his investors to buy in!
from but I recognize that if it anytime my up line or my manager tells me something that I’m not comfortable with I have the smarts to say oh this is not something I want to do or I can’t do that at this time.
in a real world job, you can find yourself being disciplined for not doing your job, anything from a talk with your supervisor to being fired. There may be some leeway for ethical considerations but your job responsibilities are set down and you have to comply.
My whole roundabout point is is that when somebody asks you to do something that you’re not comfortable with you need to have the mindset to say I’m sorry but I can’t do that use your words
You are hopelessly naive. Using your words just opens up another line of attack.
don’t sit there and let them threaten you because it doesn’t matter what company you’re a part of they more than likely can’t do anything to you.
Peer pressure and bullying doesn’t stop the minute you leave school. Ostracization is a favoured tactic in MLM companies like Mary Kay.
And not something that I’ve had pounded into my head over and over again as a young adult I can make my own decisions but I can’t let somebody else try and make decisions for me
Other people make decisions for you all the time, from the government to your boss to your family and friends.
I have to be able to use my words and communicate in an effective manner so people understand where I’m coming from so they won’t ask me again.
And yet, your words here are meaningless. Mary Kay will just sweep your reasons away and take your money. After all, you have to help your team thrive.
Seems to me that if you can’t write a formal letter without using profanity, you don’t get taken seriously.
In reading the OP comments, it’s abundantly clear that’s she’s firmly in command of all her faculties… Important life lessons, she’s espousing to us all – courtesy of MK University.
*that
Ugh – the OP’s writing style rubbed off on me.
Here’s what really caught my eye:
“ don’t sit there and let them threaten you because it doesn’t matter what company you’re a part of they more than likely can’t do anything to you.”
🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️ This PTC is unbelievably naive if she thinks a company can’t do anything to you. Wake up, Sweetheart!! If you live in a state that has “at-will employment” as part of its employment laws, your employer can fire you at any time, for any reason, & you have no legal right to know why. You need to grow up as quickly as possible or you’re going to have a difficult time holding onto any job you have. Or maybe she’s one of many young people who bring their parents with them to job interviews. It doesn’t get much more cringeworthy than that, yet it goes on a lot more than we think it does. 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
Nobody claimed “force” – Bitch the word is “manipulate”. And the company had over 50 years to perfect the strategy. Remember, you learned scripts. Don’t think they aren’t being used against you too. We were taught as directors scripts for every situation, and I bet there are ones for nsd’s to use on directors too.
“use your words”? Mary Kay has 60+ years of polished perfected words arranged in scripts to persuade you that their way is the best way.
https://www.pinktruth.com/?s=scripts start reading and see if you recognize the words that were used to persuade you that Mary Kay is full of upright God-fearing women with your best interests at heart.