Mary Kay: Roses Among the Weeds
Peggy is a pastor’s wife and a die-hard Mary Kay lady. She is apparently unaware of the 99% of people who lose money in MLM. There is so much good in MK!!!!
I wish people would learn how to deal with negative things and people that wouldn’t put everyone in same category. No one escapes having such in their life. From our own families, companies, schools, government, workplace, there has always been and always will be those who taint it with their behavior or language.
Do we disown family (though some do), quit our jobs because the manager or boss has questionable work ethics? I dare say no.
MK, like any big company has its weeds. I’ve met some, they do all they can to advance themselves, and sadly at the cost of others.
Mary Kay herself would be heartbroken. It’s not how she meant it to be but they’re here.
I continue doing this in complete honesty to all I speak with, never inflating the reality of what it takes to build it and grow a team. The mature and responsible way for us to handle such situations is not to blame the company itself. MK has guidelines and reality is not all follow the rules.
I have nothing but great experiences in MK. It’s not a lie, this company offers an opportunity to be so successful many others don’t. All things done ethically and truthfully in life bring great results. ALWAYS. Can’t throw out the baby with the bath water. Too many roses among the few weeds.
Visit the
How hard would it be when you are recruiting someone to be straight with them?
—> I can’t tell you any averages for what a consultant earns per month because it isn’t tracked in any acceptable way. More so, when you hear MK is “America’s number one brand of skin care and color cosmetics,” it’s because of all the purchases the CONSULTANTS make from the company.
—> There is no way to tell you what a director “earns” every year for the very same reason. I could show you the 1099s of these folks, but that leaves more questions.
—> In order to make money, you’ll need to work your tail end off doing stuff that’s real uncomfortable – meeting strangers, saying stuff that’s partially true, spending lots of money to make some money, buy an exorbitant amount of product – and the reason you should buy all that product is so your director can get a better commission check. You do want her to be successful, don’t you??
If they could just present the entire picture when talking to new faces, that would be a good start. Don’t sugar coat it and pretend that she’s the next best thing when less than 1% make the big girl money.
Oh wait, if they were honest and transparent from the get-go, the entire house of cards would quickly collapse.
Intrigue… on my very last interview as a MK consultant… I did just that – I told the unvarnished truth. I explained to this older lady (retired, but wanting pocket $) that she would have to call her friends and family, ask them to try the products, and from there- it’s talking to people that she may not know well, or know at all. I also told her the truth about inventory- that’s it’s not necessary, but she could have a little on hand to sample, then take orders … all the way up to full inventory options. I also told her about the active/inactive timeframe, that if she wanted to get 50% off her orders, she should plan carefully on the calendar to maximize her time- AND that she needed a minimum $225 w/s order to have that privilege. I told her to give me a call in 24-48 hrs if she was still interested. (I knew she wasn’t, based on her body language). Needless to say… I never heard from her again. It felt really good for once to actually tell someone the truth about what it would take. She asked questions, and I was finally honest.
The picture they used of MK reminds me of the last picture of my mother when she was terminally ill, the barely able to smile and the hooded eyes. They thought that was a flattering look? Brings back some very sad memories for me.
I’ve seen pictures of older female relatives doing the same thing. I think it’s meant to be a smile for the camera that won’t give you nasolabial lines or crow’s feet. And making that expression with your eyes wide open would make you look like a horror movie character 😀
Interesting. Hadn’t thought of it from that angle.
I have disowned one family member, put a couple others on information diets, and quit two jobs (not counting MK) due to unethical people, so… That point is just idiotic.
My surviving parental unit is on a very limited info diet. My Grown Children tm prefer to not interact with them due to their constant boundary steam-rolling. Likewise my siblings and niblings are “grey rocked” due to their frequent “blabber-mouthing” of information talked about in the expectation of privacy.
I wish people would learn how to deal with negative things and people that wouldn’t put everyone in same category.
Learning to deal with negative people and things graciously is an art.
No one escapes having such in their life.
Sad but true.
From our own families, companies, schools, government, workplace, there has always been and always will be those who taint it with their behavior or language.
I do notice that Ms. PTC doesn’t mention religion in this list.
Do we disown family (though some do),
This feels personal.
quit our jobs because the manager or boss has questionable work ethics? I dare say no.
It depends but generally, yes. There’s a famous Best of Redditor Updates where the OP was working for Theranos and was concerned about having to lie. https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/u17giw/10_years_ago_a_freshfaced_bioengineer_asks_rjobs/
MK, like any big company has its weeds. I’ve met some, they do all they can to advance themselves, and sadly at the cost of others.
Doesn’t sound like a good work culture at all.
Mary Kay herself would be heartbroken. It’s not how she meant it to be but they’re here.
I seriously doubt that Mary Kay Wagner Rogers Eckman Weaver Louis Miller Hallenbeck Ash would care since she herself wasn’t a model of personal ethics herself.
I continue doing this in complete honesty to all I speak with, never inflating the reality of what it takes to build it and grow a team.
So, do you share items like this with your potential
downlineteamies?https://imgur.com/a/mary-kay-income-disclosure-2023-LFdntKd
The mature and responsible way for us to handle such situations is not to blame the company itself. MK has guidelines and reality is not all follow the rules.
And you don’t find that people routinely not following the rules a problem?
I have nothing but great experiences in MK.
Anecdote does not equal data.
It’s not a lie, this company offers an opportunity to be so successful many others don’t.
Like what? The fact that you, Ms. PTC are unable to inform us of any one thing that makes every-one in Mary Kay Multitudinous names company successful is telling.
All things done ethically and truthfully in life bring great results. ALWAYS. Can’t throw out the baby with the bath water. Too many roses among the few weeds.
Many words to say nothing since we know that the basis of Mary Kay’s company is unethical.
“Mary Kay herself would be
heartbrokenproud.”There…fixed it for you.
Now, I ain’t no Bible-ologist, but I’m sure our lovely pastor’s wife who would NEVER EVER exploit her position within his church to pimp MK amongst the congregation will be patient and kind as I hyperextend another metaphor.
“Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they neither toil nor spin; yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.” This was Jesus telling his followers not to worry about material things; God would provide for them as he provided the lilies with their beauty even though they weren’t all that useful to an agricultural society. The lilies aren’t actually lilies; they are wild tulips, anemones, and relatives of buttercups that bloom en masse at the end of the Middle Eastern winter to bring color to an otherwise blah bare landscape, and herald the coming of the growing season and the end of lean times. There were and maybe still are festivals dedicated to these flowers, and they were at the heart of some pre-Judeo-Christian myths about a god’s death and rebirth (Adonis, killed by a wild boar and whose blood became the red anemone, for one).
Fast forward a few millenia and Christianity is mainstream, the food we eat is mainly grown by huge commercial outfits, and gardening is something we do for pleasure. It’s nice to have fresh vegetables and pretty flowers, but you can buy all the vegetables you want any time of year and fresh flowers are a Google search away. Ornamental plants have been hybridized, modified, and otherwise futzed around with until they barely resemble their wild ancestors. The wildflowers so venerated in Jesus’ day are now called inferior… or even weeds.
These days, roses are indeed the queens of the garden, none more so than the hybrid tea roses. These are the ones with the biggest and most fragrant flowers, judged in flower shows, prized as cut flowers. It takes years to develop a new strain, hybridizers working patiently for years. The who-de-whos of MK no doubt see themselves as these beauties emerging from years of hard work and inferiority.
Something about hybrid teas, though: they’re fragile. As they’ve been bred for looks alone, they’re prone to disease and pests. They have to be pruned properly, fertilized, and treated for cooties. They need protection in the winter in some cases. Another thing: the reason they’re available on the mass market is because they’re grafted. What this means is, undesirable but hardy roses are grown and have their branches lopped off, and one tiny bud from the tea is slipped into a slit on the bark on the rootstock where it can be nourished by the hardy roots of the stock, since the tea’s own roots are too weak to do so.
So, Popinki, what the eveloving hell does this have to do with anything?
The showy flower can’t grow without another plant being literally cut off in its prime. Without sucking money out of its downline… I mean without the water and nutrients provided by its grafted roots… the tea rose dies. No matter how beautiful the blossoms are, it only exists because another plant was literally cut off in its prime.
As for the weeds… yes, they do suck up the good stuff intended for our garden plants, and can smother and choke them out unless you pull them away. They’re really just doing the same thing as the tea rose only they aren’t pretending to be all dainty about it.
Beautiful, Popinki! I had to heart you for the lovely botanical exposition of that Bible passage, and the very timely connection to today’s post. :^)
“Do we…quit our jobs because the manager or boss has questionable work ethics?”
If reporting them doesn’t correct the problem, then yes, of course.
“I continue doing this in complete honesty to all I speak with, never inflating the reality of what it takes to build it and grow a team.”
Growing a team, eh? Given that there is no mention of selling product, this is a tacit admission that MK is a pyramid scheme–inherently unethical.
Unrelated note: On today’s front page, we see 2 photos close together: one of Mary Kay Ash and another of yesterday’s NSD. I commented yesterday about how eerily similar to MK the NSD looks, and now it’s really easy to compare.
Wait…no prayers?? At least she didn’t call everyone heifers. Or otherwise dare you to print “her” truth.
Where is your 1099? You are scamming your congregation.