True Christian Principles in Mary Kay
I stumbled on your site by accident. I’ve been doing Mk for over 20yrs. I’ve experienced all the negative aspects of OWNING one’s own business. It’s surprising to me that you would spend so much time thinking and persuading others to be more negative. You must not be very successful in other endeavors of your life.
You can bash Mk all you want and it will still stand because it was and is a company founded on true CHRISTIAN principles. If I owned a McDonald’s franchise I would still have to deal with reality that people will like Burger King, In and Out, Sonic, Jack in the Box, etc… more than they like the food at McDonald’s.
I’m not a Director although I’ve been in D.I.Q twice and I probably know far more about the Company than you, including all the nationals and different aspects of the company you thrash. I know SO MANY women who live off of their re-orders and have a personal customer base which you neglect to mention. Yes much of what you all have to say can be true, but all of LIFE IS YOUR ATTITUDE and how you handle day to day disappointment in every aspect of your life.
No, I haven’t quit and I don’t write this in hope that you’ll stop bashing Mary Kay. I will pray for you personally “pinktruth” because the TRUTH OF GOD will set you free. I doubt you know Jesus as your Lord and Savior. I’ll pray that you’ll meet HIM (JESUS), then maybe you can spend the rest of your LIFE BUILDING YOURSELF UP, instead of drawing you and others down in to the unending, swirling world of NEGATIVITY which only leads to death. I will pray for you, truthfully.
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OP, it is dishonest to compare the franchise model to MLM. If you look across the country, it will be hard to find a McDonald’s where anyone working there is losing money. And McDonald’s provides territorial protection to the franchise owners so they don’t compete for the same customers.
In MLMs like Mary Kay, every downline is losing money as a whole. That includes yours. The bigger the downline, the bigger the losses. Nothing about running an MLM downline looks anything like running a small business.
You simply don’t own or run a business in Mary Kay. No amount of pretending can change this reality.
There are 3 McDonald’seseses a short drive away from where I live. Each one has a line around the building at lunchtime. Ditto the Wendy’s and Burger King. The Dunkins and the Starbucks are crammed during the morning rush and steady all day. On summer nights the traffic around the Dairy Queen is horrendous (it’s one of the really old ones, which only sells ice cream and other cold stuff, not other food).
Go on Amazon or Ebay and you’ll find no shortage of MK consultomers (I forget who came up with that, but it’s perfect) trying to liquidate their inventories for peanuts and finding no takers.
MK ain’t a franchise.
“it was and is a company founded on true CHRISTIAN principles: – Mary Kay excelled at fomenting greed and jealousy in the ranks, taught consultants to lie, and created a false image of herself. It’s a house built on sand.
If MK were truly Christian there’d be provisions in place to help you keep your unit if a family emergency came up and you didn’t make production.
When my mother died during one of my busiest months, my bosses’ reaction was “Go. Take all the time you need. We’ll figure things out here. Let us know if you need any help at all.” They all showed up at the wake and gave me a nice gift card. Same thing when my brother died suddenly last week. I was on vacation and they finagled it so that ended up as bereavement leave, so I didn’t lose my vacation time for what was Definitely Not A Vacation.
Only one is a good church-going Catholic (he swears like a truck driver, drinks, and smokes) but on the whole they act waaaaaaaaay more Christian than this ostensibly “God first” company.
I’m so sorry for your losses but glad to hear you have a job that allows for time needed and cares for you and your time.
I stumbled on your site by accident.
Another poor stumbled victim.
I’ve been doing Mk for over 20yrs.
And??
I’ve experienced all the negative aspects of OWNING one’s own business.
If you are talking about MK, it’s not Your Own Business.
It’s surprising to me that you would spend so much time thinking and persuading others to be more negative. You must not be very successful in other endeavors of your life.
You obviously haven’t read much written by any of the commentariats. We all have active and successful lives without spending much time here.
You can bash Mk all you want and it will still stand because it was and is a company founded on true CHRISTIAN principles.
🤣😂😂 There’s nothing Christian about Mary Kay Wagner Rogers Eckman Weaver Louis Miller Hallenbeck Ash’s company. Certainly not the idolatry, lying, coveting, and outright theft.
If I owned a McDonald’s franchise I would still have to deal with reality that people will like Burger King, In and Out, Sonic, Jack in the Box, etc… more than they like the food at McDonald’s.
Yes, but you would also have a defined hinterland where no other McDonald store would poach your business nor would you be encouraged to sign up your customers as your competitors. As a customer, I wouldn’t be expected to make my food nor would I be nagged to give the franchisee all my friend’s and family’s phone numbers.
I’m not a Director although I’ve been in D.I.Q twice and I probably know far more about the Company than you, including all the nationals and different aspects of the company you thrash.
WOW!!!! Humblebrag much? You failed twice and think you know everything? You spent twenty years and never made it to director, that must show something about how bad the business model is.
I know SO MANY women who live off of their re-orders and have a personal customer base which you neglect to mention.
If we fail to mention it, guess Mary Kay Wagner Rogers Eckman Weaver Louis Miller Hallenbeck Ash’s company also fails to mention it. If this happens, why does Priceless Chels constantly run 40%, 50% or BOGO sales?
If a hypothetical MKBot did make her living in this way, they would be lauded to the skies by their director and their uplines for the sheer amount of orders and the commissions made from them.
Yes much of what you all have to say can be true, but all of LIFE IS YOUR ATTITUDE and how you handle day to day disappointment in every aspect of your life.
Can’t argue with you there.
No, I haven’t quit and I don’t write this in hope that you’ll stop bashing Mary Kay.
Please quit, you’ve already wasted over twenty years and I don’t know how much money.
I will pray for you personally “pinktruth” because the TRUTH OF GOD will set you free.
Another performative Christian breaking Christ’s words. Matthew 6:6.
I doubt you know Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
Not only do you know everything about MK, you now know everything about a highly diverse group of women and men. Your hubris truly knows no bounds.
I’ll pray that you’ll meet HIM (JESUS), then maybe you can spend the rest of your LIFE BUILDING YOURSELF UP, instead of drawing you and others down in to the unending, swirling world of NEGATIVITY which only leads to death.
Not everyone here is a Christian nor has a desire to be.
If, as Mary Kay said regarding her MKbots, sometimes they are the only Bible some-one reads, you Ms. Twenty Year Veteran are not a good example of a Christian. You fail at the most basic commands of both God and Jesus.
I will pray for you, truthfully.
Please don’t. Instead, climb down off your cloud of unwarranted self-delusion, stop polishing your halo of unearned pride and learn to live a humble and other-serving life to please God not Mary Kay and Mammon.
For the love of Pete, will you people please take off the pink blindfolds already? All this stumbling is scuffing up the linoleum and you’re getting handprints all over the walls.
This one checks all the boxes. Thinks she knows better than everyone here who was in MK, including those who actually made it to director? Check. Thinks we’re lazy and unsuccesful, in spite of the fact that some people make legit 6-figure salaries and Tracy has more business than she can handle? Checkity-check. No clue about the difference between MLM and franchises? Checkaroonie. “Knows people” who make a living at it but offers zero tangible proof? Big ol’ check right there.
Thinks she owns a business? Check and check. You’re not a business owner; you’re a contracted reseller of Mary Kay products. You own nothing but a heap of inventory that nothing wants; you can’t advertise “your” business in ways MK doesn’t approve of; you can’t sell “your” merchandise in ways MK doesn’t approve of; you can’t sell the business to someone else and don’t even have any say in who gets your customers if you leave; and they can cut you off without warning at any time, for any reason, with no recourse.
Biggest check of all? Praying AT one rather than FOR one to prove her moral superiority and I’ve got a few things to say about that.
Mary Kay Wagner Rogers Eckman Weaver Louis Miller Hallenbeck Ash didn’t found her company on good Christian principles. She founded her company simply to earn herself some serious green whilst utilizing others to make it for her. Otherwise, she wouldn’t have made it a pyramid system where those on top are always going to earn the most, at the expense of those beneath them.
The “god first” bit is just window-dressing to make it palatable to Christian 1960s housewives, who’d assume it was a good, wholesome thing – and their 1960s alpha-male husbands who were threatened by the idea of their wives holding down a job, because this wasn’t a job; it was playing makeup with other church ladies.
Is it godly to lie about how much money you and others make, especially when recruiting? Is it godly to leave your spouse and kids to fend for themselves, to be unable to buy food and clothes and keep the lights on because you “had” to buy inventory? Is it godly to make your underlings spend huge amounts of money so you can earn a prize for yourself? What have you yourself done in the course of running your “business” that the Big G would give you the side-eye for?
And before you go throwing Jesus at us, think about him. He was the only man ever completely without sin, and therefore the only one entitled to throw stones. He didn’t. He was a man of peace, a humble man. He was a rabbi, which means he was a teacher. He taught by parable, which forced people to stop and THINK and come to their own conclusions without beating them over the head with it.
You know who else does that? The people here who share their own, often painful, stories in the hopes that someone will read them and see themselves and their struggles. They post the hard facts about the income claims and the hours. THey offer compassion and support to people who find themselves in a quandary and want to get out but don’t know how.
Sounds pretty Jesus-y to me.
Why don’t you come back later, and instead of just automatically reacting badly because you’ve been told “Pink Truth = Bad” read about Tracy and why she started this site, and the others who started off feeling as you do until they read their own unwritten story?
If you change your mind, you’ll find plenty of support here. Will you get it from your MK friends?
The “god first” bit is just window-dressing to make it palatable to Christian 1960s housewives, who’d assume it was a good, wholesome thing – and their 1960s alpha-male husbands who were threatened by the idea of their wives holding down a job, because this wasn’t a job; it was playing makeup with other church ladies.
It was more of a middle-class suburban male husband though. Lots of women in the working class held jobs whether it was in the family business, in home piece-work or externally in offices, shops, factories or in healthcare or schools.
When people say that feminism allowed women into the workplace, what they mean is women were allowed into the professions; medicine as doctors not only nurses, as lawyers, as politicians and recently as higher levels of clergy and into front-line fighting.
There are so many things I love about these posts.
1. They believe they “know far more about MK” than anyone on this site. Not true because if it were, she would not still be in MK. Also we have folks here that were in all levels of MK and also the perspectives of the husbands and partners, making our collective knowledge extremely vast. Backed up by Tracy’s forensic accounting expertise, we know all the ins and outs. (We also have firsthand accounts from actual directors, not just those who didn’t make it through DIQ).
2. We “aren’t very successful” in our own lives. I don’t want to speak for everyone but I’ve heard the success stories here and I’m successful in my own life. I would not be able to say that if I were still in MK.
3. We all have “bad attitudes.” I have never experienced bad attitudes here with the exception of the MK supporters. I’ve experienced nothing but support and encouragement from Pink Truth members. Personally I have a great attitude now that I’m out of MK. I feel alive again, I’m living an authentic life and I have hope for the future that I never had in MK. My positive attitude and actions are the best they’ve ever been.
4. The assumption that folks don’t “know Jesus”, “aren’t Christian” etc. I’m not personally Christian or looking for Jesus, but I’ve met folks here who are truly Christian and act positively in the way their faith directs them.
5. Last one, I promise: the apples to oranges comparisons to companies that aren’t MLM. Tell me how it compares to other MLMs not real businesses because when you do that you lose any teeny tiny bit of credibility you may have had. It highlights how ignorant you are of what it means to own and operate a real business. Open a non MLM business and come back in a year and then we can talk.
Keep God out of this. After more than 5 decades, Mary Kay has yet to produce a single profitable down-line. The fact that this abysmal record is not shared up front with prospective recruits is unethical at best, and downright evil on the part of the perps at the top. They know all too well that corporate (and up-line) profitability depends entirely on massive, collective losses in the downlines.
We have got to get some guardrails, flashing lights, and orange barrels up here to prevent all of these stumbling bits and accidents. As Popinki said, you’re scuffing the floor.
“You must not be very successful in other endeavors of your life.”
I am pretty sure you don’t know me, so how can you make this statement? You, on the other hand, went through DIQ twice (not successful there), and you still think you know everything. Bless your heart.
“I will pray for you personally ‘pinktruth’ because the TRUTH OF GOD will set you free. I doubt you know Jesus as your Lord and Savior. I’ll pray that you’ll meet HIM (JESUS), then maybe you can spend the rest of your LIFE BUILDING YOURSELF UP, instead of drawing you and others down in to the unending, swirling world of NEGATIVITY which only leads to death.”
Do not pray for me. I didn’t ask for it, and there are no unspoken prayer requests. Like many, I am not a Christian, so quit clutching your pearls thinking that I need you to proselytize to me. I have Judeo-Christian values, but honey, not all of the cult members are Christian.
As far as building a life full of negativity and bashing others, I go back to the you don’t know me, don’t know what I’m capable of, what I am able to do, and what I HAVE done. You don’t know that I have spent a lot of time building up others, caring for others when they are at their most vulnerable moments, teaching and mentoring others, being a leader, and more. So unless you have any constructive criticism to add, I suggest you get down off the cross. Because other people need the wood.
Ma’am. If you have been in Mary Kay for 20 years, you know about Pink Truth. Lying is not a Christian principal.
“You must not be very successful in other endeavors of your life.”
The fact that People think this is an insult make me laugh.
Again I know it’s a strange idea to people who think being in a pyramid scheme is going to make them rich, but there are people who aren’t motivated by money.
Also I don’t really do endeavors .. I pretty much actually do whatever I want. Because when you
decide that you don’t have to keep up with every Tom, Dick & Harry for owning the latest car, grill, Golf Clubs, Gym Membership, Lululemon yoga gear. You actually have a quite a bit of money on the bank to be able to take a trip, buy a car without a loan on it, rent a beach bungalow if you want to and enjoy every minute of it without trying to float credit card payments from account to account.
Is it me, or does that official Mary Kay graphic look kind of like a Jack Daniels label?
Slightly ironic coming from the company that won’t let its “independent business owners” drink at company events.
HA!!! I think the formatting is quite similar to that Tennessee sour mash label.
Pretty presumptuous post. I know Jesus as my savior as well. And one of the greatest things about Him is the gave me the ability to think logically. And when I had more then double the number of team members to earn a car and I STILL couldn’t earn production He woke me up to the fact that this company was a joke. The lies told to me by supposed Christians in that company were also a joke. Wake up and stop using Christ. This company is not christlike its CULTlike!
OP: Thank you for stopping by. Thank you for pointing out to us our “so-called negativity”… it’s not like we’ve never heard that before. The fact that you were so triggered into commenting here says to me….”thou doest protest too much”. Not all is good in the pink kingdom. The fact that you have the time to comment shows a lot- not a good Income Producing Activity for you. You’ve obviously read (even just a little bit) to make these assumptions about us. I cannot speak for anyone here but myself- as I don’t know anyone personally here… but based on their stories that I’ve read, we’ve all basically have walked the same path in and out of MK. We shared the same basic experiences – without actually knowing each other, screams volumes about this predatory company. You call it a Christian Company… I call it a cult. I know this because I spent over 20 years in MK, experienced the cult-like behavior from day one… all the way thru DIQ, 9 years as a Director and about 5-6 years paying off my accumulated MK debt. I’ve done all the retreats, conferences, seminars, etc. I know of what I speak- you my dear pink foggy-brained friend, do not. (or you’re in deep denial- either way..)
I just want to touch on 1 thing- the thing you call Pink Truth Negativity. It is not negative to tell the truth. Just like they say in a court of law “To tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing else, so help me God”. That is honestly what we do here… telling the truth isn’t always nice feeling, sometimes it will hurt your feelings, but it’s still the truth. You admitted to some of the things that we’ve written about as being true.. your words:
“Yes much of what you all have to say can be true, but all of LIFE IS YOUR ATTITUDE and how you handle day to day disappointment in every aspect of your life.”
Facts & Truth don’t care about your feelings… so bringing up our ‘attitude’ has no bearing here. Truth is truth- you can’t argue with it. Disappointment happens every day- you learn to deal with it… I would suggest you learn to deal with it too as you know in your heart- we speak the truth about the predatory company that MK is- you know this, don’t you.
There are many Christians here on this site as commentators, there are many that don’t claim that- it’s okay- we all know that we are speaking the truth about MK- that’s our common denominator. I know that God revealed to me to ‘get out of MK’.. as it wasn’t doing my spiritual life any good… in fact, it was damaging my walk with Christ. (you know, all the lies that happen to pull production, the “fake it till you make it” crap, etc. something you may not understand… when you don’t tell the Full Truth about anything- you are lying by omission- which is still lying by the way.)
I hope you actually come back and read our comments. I hope that the scales will fall from your eyes and honestly see the deception that you are perpetuating.
Good luck to you.
I just have just one question for the letter writer: Directors in the company often say anyone can be successful, that anyone can move to directorship if they want to badly enough, but you tried DIQ twice & did not make it. Why not?
I see 2 options: either you seriously messed up in DIQ or it’s a lie that anyone can be successful. Which one is it? Hmmm.
And after 20 years of going to her Memorial Day events, she doesn’t have a car to show for it. Weren’t we taught that doing the same thing while expecting different results is the definition of insanity?
Sure am glad my Memorial Day weekend hasn’t been about production, counting on orders, delivering products in a skirt, or still drooling over NSDs.
Somer’s doing a Monday night sale a thin tonight! Happy Memorial Day!
*note: I apologize for my very late comments on some posts here, I had a glitchy thing with my iPad and PT.*. So I hope you don’t mind the barrage of late/outdated comments; they likely won’t be seen by many. But man am I happy to be getting caught up…Tracy et al have delivered some juicy reading material and I’m psyched to dive into a PT marathon!
So for this post, oh my. Finally a Kaybot with exceptional grammatical skills…yet she wastes them on this pink brainwashed rubbish. So sad. (But I give her props for using the word “endeavors”).
“I’ve experienced all the negative aspects of OWNING one’s own business.” Okay, I’ll play. So what business do you/did you OWN? Don’t say Mary Kay; you own nothing as an independent contractor. What’s your EIN/federal tax ID number? (We don’t need to know the actual number, just that you do indeed have one, and if you don’t even know what those things are, YOU DON’T OWN A BUSINESS.)…
Next, what type of business is yours: LLC, C Corp, Sole Proprietorship, etc? When you do your taxes every year, do you pay the self-employment tax that’s owed? If you’re actually turning a profit but haven’t done this, it’s tax evasion. If you’re NOT turning a profit with your #MKLife, then you’re not an astute business woman; you’re a woman with an expensive hobby who tries to PLAY “super talented and successful business woman”.
Okay so we’ve shot some holes in the barrel of your claim to be a legit business person. Let’s say you DO have a business…now you’re claiming you’ve “experienced all the negative aspects” of having a business. Oh, really? Tell us about your corporation setup, your small business loans to get started, your finding and signing the lease for your business’s office/retail space, your payroll setup (surely you have at least a few employees right), your search for the best healthcare package for you and staff, your media/marketing expenditures (since you can choose to advertise your business anywhere and in any way that you see fit, seeing as you own the business), and tons of other aspects that escape my mind currently. But this is a good start IMO.
Then blah blah something about knowing “all the nationals and different aspects of the company”. Three letters: LOL. How many nationals know your name? Why do you *think* you’re on par or besties with ANY of them, let alone ALL of them? Hahahahahahaha, that’s a good one.
“Yes much of what you all have to say can be true, but all of LIFE IS YOUR ATTITUDE”. Okay…
So…while something might actually BE truthful, sharing such truth is bad and equates to having a poor attitude. I mean come on, lady. SMH.
I can spend “the rest of (my) LIFE BUILDING (MYSELF) UP”…
*OR* I can spend the rest of my life building up my NEST EGG of 401k and other savings. PLUS I can look forward to the social security funds I’m owed (fyi, you sugar-sharp business owner with the surprisingly decent grammatical skills)…you DO understand that if you haven’t been paying income tax on your successful and profitable #business, you likely won’t get ANY substantial SS payments…better hope your husband is a successful J.O.B worker who has done the “building up” of funds while you’ve simply been building up “yourself”.
Oh and thank goodness she tells us about the “unending, swirling world of NEGATIVITY which only leads to death”. I thought she was referring to my toilet bowl. While we get the “boo hoo negativity” comments incessantly, this might be the first time I’ve learned of a possible direct correlation between perceived negativity and death. We should be happy she told us about this so that we can correct our ways lest we meet a swirling, Mary Kay- hating demise.
While I’m a glass half full kinda soul, I still deeply enjoy and cherish sarcasm, cynicism, and low tolerance for idiocy and douchery. And boy do Kaybots like this one really test whatever sliver of patience I have left.
Sorry for the novel/I missed you guys!