Lying About His Wife’s Success
At Pink Truth, we are very familiar with the false earnings claims made in Mary Kay. This husband of a Mary Kay consultant had something to say abut our criticism of pink Cadillac sales directors (how few there are and how little they make):
I don’t know who you are or why you are doing this. All I know is that my wife and I have been running this business for almost a year. We have demanding day jobs and we work very hard at building our business. We have seen a steady increase in profits every month. Our clientel gets bigger and bigger every month. How dare you sit there and say its not a real business?
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I don’t understand this site. My wife is a Mary Kay Consultant and I am in charge of marketing. Your numbers are correct, but the reason why the percentage of Cadillac owners is so small is because its extremely difficult to reach that level. Difficult yes, impossible hell no! Only those willing to put in the work will get there. The lazy, the weak, and the unmotivated don’t stand a chance. Mary Kay gives you the tools to get there. You must provide the drive.
We are almost there after only a year running our business. We made back our initial investment in less than two months. Its hard work.
Notice that he says getting to the Cadillac is hard work and they are “almost there after only a year of running our business.”
Of course, I checked into his claim, and it is completely false. His wife isn’t even a sales director, much less close to the Cadillac. She is a senior consultant, which means she has 1 or 2 active recruits.
Yet another example of the rampant lying about one’s success in Mary Kay. And when the husbands are making the claims, I often wonder whether they are completely in the dark about what’s happening with the wife’s business. (Note that the woman in the last linked article has gotten divorced, filed bankruptcy, and lost her directorship since that was published.)
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We dare because it’s not a real business, duh. Your wife is merely a contracted reseller of the company’s products. She owns nothing except her inventory. She can’t sell the “business”, her customer list is not her own, and it can be taken from her at a moment’s notice with zero recourse. Even a sooper markitting jeenyus like you isn’t allowed to use anything but MK sanctioned materials on MK approved platforms.
Stop lying to yourselves and don’t think you can get away with lying to the former MK people here. Some of them were actually Cadillac directors. They’ve been there, done that, and you can’t fool them.
Regardless of what level she is at, they didn’t make back our initial investment in less than two months. At least by any normal business definition; perhaps if they use the Mary Kay “math”. I’m going to guess that he does not yet know how much this “investment” really is. Eventually it will come out when he sees a credit card bill he didn’t know about or whatever.
Whoof, look up “mainsplaining” in the dictionary and that Eric Conklin article will be the definition.
He seems like a really charming person. 🤦♀️.
Conklin’s comments were IMO unnerving. I felt bad for his wife; who knows how he reacts to other things when he showed he had such a short fuse and just kept ramping up. Wherever she is today, I really do hope she is safe and well.
I don’t know who you are or why you are doing this. All I know is that my wife and I have been running this business for almost a year.
We are a diverse group of mainly women with some men. What we do is use the words and actions of the people who populate the higher echelons of the company to illustrate just how the company actually works.
We have demanding day jobs and we work very hard at building our business.
Robbing Peter to pay Paul. I’m sure that you think that you are working hard but you will soon find that that is not enough.
We have seen a steady increase in profits every month.
You will soon run through your warm audience and have to start begging strangers for pity purchases. Get used to wearing your identity badge upside down.
Our clientel(sic) gets bigger and bigger every month.
We only have your word for this.
How dare you sit there and say its not a real business?
Sadly, we’ve seen far too many women crash and burn in this “real business”. Mary Kay Wagner Rogers Eckman Weaver Louis Miller Hallenbeck Ash’s company’s own figures back us up.
I don’t understand this site. My wife is a Mary Kay Consultant and I am in charge of marketing.
What marketing? Your wife is supplied with every script and picture from Mary Kay Wagner Rogers Eckman Weaver Louis Miller Hallenbeck Ash’s company.
Your numbers are correct, but the reason why the percentage of Cadillac owners is so small is because its extremely difficult to reach that level.
How is it difficult? There is a list for how to do it, all carefully crafted to produce recruits and their valuable money. They claim any-one can do it!
Difficult yes, impossible hell no! Only those willing to put in the work will get there. The lazy, the weak, and the unmotivated don’t stand a chance.
Well, the future will show us as to which your wife is.
Mary Kay gives you the tools to get there. You must provide the drive.
Drive and money equals debt.
We are almost there after only a year running our business. We made back our initial investment in less than two months. Its hard work.
Are you doing all that tedious double entry book-keeping? Making sure that each red cent is accounted for? I doubt you know all the ins and outs of your wife’s business.
Has anyone ever told the truth about true net income in Mary Kay? What does it say about a business plan that you must lie so egregiously to promote it?
In the real world, businesses can be honest about pay, revenue and sales and still hire people and sell products successfully.
MLMs depend on dishonesty to be successful. But greater success for the MLM (and kingpins) depends on greater aggregate failure for the reps. This is why they can’t be honest.
“Has anyone ever told the truth about true net income in Mary Kay?”
Well, former NSD Amy Dunlap did in her court case vs MKC. But not when she was still in MK and recruiting, I’m sure.
https://www.pinktruth.com/2012/08/22/former-national-sales-director-amy-dunlap-alleges-mary-kay-is-a-pyramid-scheme/
Holy crap…it’s all right there. I was not a regular on this site back then…this is such good stuff. What ever happened to Amy? I assume she settled, but for what? She was part of the problem.
Mary Kay has to be constantly on edge worrying about a class-action lawsuit against them. The “no negative talk” mantra is probably the only thing keeping consultants and xSDs from discovering that they are all losing money…and that money-losing downlines are built into the system and are a required feature of the MLM business plan.
It is sickening that this just continues, day after day, year after year, with millions of folks duped into believing the lies of MLM. I guess the MLM companies can just blame the down-lines for violating corporate policy, even though the MLM has strong incentives to turn a blind eye when reps work to game the system. The greater the corruption in the sales force, the greater the revenue for corporate!
Metaphorically, Mary Kay has made a deal with the devil.
“What ever happened to Amy?”
I believe she went from Mary Kay to Isagenix, then to Vasayo, and is now with Three.
Amy was in Isagenix for a long time and this year switched to a different MLM scam. As per usual,
“no other company like it”
“best in the business”
“totally different”
“not MLM”
“What marketing?”. Exactly .. There’s so much you can’t do that hinders your ability to sell the crappy makeup.
So they have two people working her one business and she’s only a senior consultant?
Altho I read his in charge of marketing as more like him micromanaging her and asking if she made 30 calls this evening?
Oh goodness, what if it’s him warm chatting at the Target? Telling people his wife is a MK lady.
So she’s “ON TARGET” to “earn the use of a car”. He needs to use the right jargon or we won’t take him seriously.
I used to ask myself, “How stupid can people really be?”
Then I started working in healthcare and realized that many take this on as a personal challenge. I’m 99.992% certain the OP falls into this category.
Lol yes. I’ve witnessed many of them myself in retail, especially mattress stores. Even complete idiots need something to sleep on.
Thank you Pink Truth! Although I can’t say you were 100% the reason I avoided being recruited, you are 100% the reason that reaffirmed my suspicions.
I almost got recruited and thankfully decided to do some research because my “friend” who was trying to recruit me made it sound like I have to do it now or never and I am always skeptical when someone puts me or anyone in a position like that.
My “friend” neighbor girl was always nice to me. When I moved in this apartment building she would always hold the door for me and tell me her name (Amanda) and hand me her business card. It had her name and “independent beauty consultant” spelled in all lowercase caps. No company logo or anything. A phone number and an email. I really didn’t know what to make of it.
One day when leaving I saw her at the bus stop that is at least 3 blocks from our building and apparently the only one left in town. I pulled over and offered her a ride and she happily accepted. As she got in I complimented her makeup. Oh. What a mistake.
This is when she told me she was an “independent beauty consultant” for MaryKay. I heard of Marykay before. When I was a kid, my mother’s friend brought over a ton of Marykay makeup for us to have. And it was FREE (imagine our faces when we realized it was free) it was heaven for us to play dress up. My mother would never allow us to play in her Estes Lauder, Chanel, Christian Dior makeup.
Amanda asked me if I was interested in making a 6 figure income and enriching other woman’s lives and gave the pitch I could even work part-time. I laughed to myself thinking “girl, you don’t even have a car” but then thought.. hmm “maybe she does make money cause these apartment aren’t cheap”
I do like makeup so I figured I would go to the meeting to “find out more”
Of course I drove us. We traveled 9 miles across town. I paid the $12 entry fee for both of us (Amanda forgot her wallet) there were about 5 cars in the parking lot. We get in there and after paying the $24 fee for both of us there must’ve been about 25 people there. Interesting I thought. (I notice weird stuff like this, 5 cars; and 25 women)
The whole thing turned out to be a recruiting event which I totally expected but I didn’t expect what came next.
After the event I drove myself and Amanda home. She asked me what I thought and I was honest. I told her it made no sense to recruit me to sell the same things she is selling. She told me it would all make sense after I signed up. She was very pushy and made it seem like I had to do it NOW. I was firm with her and told her I always think things through before committing to something especially when my social security number is involved. I even scolded her and told her she was being too pushy for my taste and I am skeptical anytime someone is pushy like she is. That made Amanda upset and she was quiet for the rest of the ride home.
I did some research and found your website and I am just blown away. The money comes from recruiting and recruiting looks a lot like recruiting strangers because it’s either you try to recruit friends & family or save relationships and recruit strangers like Amanda attempted to do with me.
Poor Amanda lives with her boyfriend and could never afford to live anywhere let alone here just selling product. I don’t say that to sound snooty. I worked hard to get where I am at. I live alone. I worked hard to get where I am at in life. I chuckle myself when Amanda now avoids me because I picture her asking me “where I want to be in 5 years from now” and still has not paid me the $12 back.
Amanda, I hope you can afford a car one day girl. I don’t say that to sound mean girl at all. I sincerely hope you are able to find a real job cause Marykay isn’t doing it for you. I just saw you in Walgreens 2 weeks ago trying to recruit strangers and was embarrassed for you.
Cassie
LOL she at the bus stop asking you if you wanna make 6 figures 🤣
Thanks for sharing your story, Cassie. 👍 This could be a front page article all by itself.
It’s already set up to be just that. 🙂
Good for Cassie for being stern and not signing up because she had to. Cassie points out she thinks things through especially when it involves her social security number” and that is something we need to translate to would be recruits. Heck I would never put my social on a paper application anymore. I would only disclose if hired.
Great job Tracy! You are saving many women lots of time and money. And MKC can do nothing about it (“whah whah why doesn’t Legal sue this angry Pink Truth looser”) because it’s all true, and discovery is a bitch.
“Amanda forgot her wallet”
Sure.
No one thinks you are being snooty Cassie.