1. This is a good thing in the end for the women of India. They just don’t know yet how much less debt they will have. I just couldn’t imagine that in a place where poverty is so rampant, that MK thought, “India, yes that’s a country where many women have disposable income.”

2. Isnt it odd how President Darrell sweeps over the “real” reason they are closing in India? Lies upon Lies!!

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   • Is there a reason that you’re aware of other than the ones he listed in his note?

     • …Didn’t you just mention the proposed MLM ban?

       • Yes, Darrell mentioned regulations and I mentioned the potential MLM ban. Thankful says he swept over the “real” reason… so I’m wondering if she knows of some reason other than the regulations and the poor performance that Darrell mentioned.

   • It does appear that Darrell Heavily glossed over the mlm issues and made it seem like it was a company decision to stop due to not turning a profit. (him mentioning the money invested is a deterrent) I see exactly what you mean thankful. I don’t think anyone who is fogged will read anything about regulations or potential mlm bans out of that letter.

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   • why mary kay is closing in inda. And when it is going to close down, the closing date

3. I wonder which regulations made MK leave India? i.e banking regs (no loans), credit card regs, etc…

   • Click the link in the sentence after the one about the regulations.

4. Let the reader understand that when Darrell Overcash says, “…November 2012 as the highest sales month in Company history” he means that November 2012 was the highest ORDERING month in company history. Mary Kay does NOT track retail sales.

   A common retort from consultants is “Consultants would NOT order more makeup if they’re not selling what they already have!!” I disagree, and we can thank Mary Kay’s pay-to-play quotas for that one. Makeup ordering quotas are required for a number of things in MK, to include the “privilege” of making (and keeping) directorship. Copious ordering and recruiting (and getting new recruits to order) is what keeps the Mary Kay boat afloat, NOT actually selling.

   Let’s pretend you’re a MK director. As a director, you and your team are required to order a certain amount of makeup each month or else YOU will get demoted, and getting that position back is NOT an easy feat, as it involves recruiting no less than 24 bodies and convincing them that what you do is the greatest job on the planet. I don’t know about you, but I have a hard enough time convincing my cat not to hork up a hairball on the foyer rug. But I digress.

   Let’s say at the end of this month, you tally things up and realize you’re $600 short of your makeup quota. What do you do? Your higher-ups are breathing down your neck, because if you don’t make your quota, they take the hit, too. You lose rank, someone above you will, too. You’re going to have to save your skin (if you want to keep your position and keep your “bosses” happy, that is) and make up the difference yourself.

   So out comes the credit card, “click” goes the “Order” button, and whammo, there’s $600 worth of makeup on your shelf that you didn’t need but had to order lest you fall from grace. Even sadder is that your shelves are still pretty full from the last time you had to do this.

   This is not a far-flung practice, either, my friends. Every former MK consultant and director I have spoken with has admitted to falling into the ordering trap on some level, and there are plenty of women here at PT who can attest to this. What I want to know is why MK Corporate, who KNOWS these practices are going on and could easily change their quotas to reflect actual retail sales (and thus, help its recruits avoid the ordering trap) fails to do so.

   Quite frankly, it’s like Mary Kay knows there’s a mass murderer lurking behind the dumpster, but they hand you a loaded Hefty bag and send you out there with a smile anyway.

   How very go-give of them.

   • “What I want to know is why MK Corporate, who KNOWS these practices are going on and could easily change their quotas to reflect actual retail sales (and thus, help its recruits avoid the ordering trap) fails to do so. ”

     Because the amount of product MK corporate sells would be so dramatically much lower.

     Again reinforcing the fact that the consultant is the real customer.

5. One can hope that it’s only a matter of time before they shut down the company entirely.

   • If it can happen in India, it sure as sugar can happen here.

     Dream big, baby! 😀

     • I’d love to see it crash and burn in the US! I’m dreaming/praying big!!

       • Why would you hope & pray it crashes and burns. Only a very sick person would wish n pray for something like this.

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         • No Pat, only a very EDUCATED person would with and pray for something like this. Billions of dollars are swindled out of consultants each year. If MK crashes and burns, that financial devastation stops. Please learn the truth about MLM.

     • I hope no negative nelly kaybots “steal our dreams”! 😀

6. It’s sad that the Indian Government recognizes MLM as a “scheme” and “ponzi” and calls it so, while the US Government apparently hasn’t made the connection.

   It might be all that financial enlightenment that the Direct Selling Association provides the United States Congress.

   • Overcash.

     ;0

     • He may soon have to change his name to “Undercash.”

       • RFLMAO!

       • —RFLMAO!—

7. I suffer a great deal from this decision…… I still cant stop crying because my hopes and dreams are crushed because of this and have to be strong for my unit members too… still find it hard to believe that MK is letting us down… and let me tell you, despite what u all said, i benefitted a great deal becos of mary kay

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   • Unfortunately, Mary Kay is a predator. It hurts more women than it helps. So I can never be sad when I see the company shutting down some operations.

     • Less we forget how many donations from MK have gone to cancer research and domestic violence for both women and men. MK is not a predator The gift of working part time to be able to stay at home with your children. Something is very wrong with the thinking of this world to condemn a company that for 50 years has worked to set Women free …to make a life for herself

       • Sorry Pat, but the financial damage MK has caused is far greater than any donations they have made. Billions of dollars each year! Did you know that 99% of people lose money in MLM? That’s not “making money” at all… much less part-time or at home with the kids.

         Yes, Mary Kay is a predator. They’ve just done a fabulous job of making themselves look like a company that helps women.

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       • Pat, it is very naive to assume a large corporation like that donates money, etc, from “the good of its heart”.. there are other factors at play such as tax implications to that corporation, political alignments, and simple Public Relations and Marketing.

         A company that recruits women, attracting women yearning for recognition and acceptance? Yep, supporting domestic violence as a cause seems pretty damn bang-on. You can’t buy PR that good!

       • Imagine an individual who opened soup kitchens to feed the poor, lobbied for dates on milk bottles so children wouldn’t get sick, had tremendous political sway, and was referred to as a “modern-day Robin Hood.”

         Now imagine the fact that the individual was AL CAPONE. And we all know what a good, just, and upright moral fellow HE was.

         Considering how MK is set up and how many women they’ve harmed (and continue to harm), the fact that Mary Kay donates to charities is HOLLOW and means NOTHING, just like their claim that God is first in their company.

   • You benefitted from mary kay? As a person who was a director and in for a long time I will say that mk is a master of the illusion of “personal growth” , “friendship connections” “inner strength” “skill building” due to the emotional abuse of the structure. But what we all know to be true is that there is no financial benefit. The ones with the big checks have years and years of loss on their taxes hours and years of time with maybe a few thousand profit at best. Look at it honestly .. with your tax returns and the friendships you have lost and you will see the true price you pay in mk for the “benefits”

   • Pinki, your hopes and dreams are NOT crushed by any stretch. Your hopes and dreams are NOT directly linked to Mary Kay, and they are not one the same. So just because Mary Kay quits India does not mean your life is over and done. Not by any stretch.

     Countless women around the world have fulfilled their dreams without Mary Kay’s help and you’re no exception, so give yourself some credit, woman! 🙂

8. I so agree MK in the long run can bring a lot of grief to women. They keep buying what they do not need. Women in India should just return their inventory instead of participating in their 60% off sale which comes with I agree that I can’t return my items back to MK any longer. Mary Kay does really play on the emotional side of women. You slog a lot and just earn peanuts in the end. All MLM businesses are like that and everyone should stay away from them.

9. Directors are NOTHING but, Mary Kay’s PIMPS! Their title are MEANINGLESS and USELESS. Directors are their monthly money PIMP machine. There’s useless titles put in place to pour money into monthly. Think about this, from the day you join be a STAR Consultant, be a Sr. Consultant, be a Star recruiter, be a Team Leader, Go for the FREE car,….NOT!!!! be a D.I.Q., be a Director, be a Sr. Director, be a Ex. Director, Be a NIQ, etc. constantly pouring money in a bottomless pit. Only Mary Kay, Incorp. PROFITS.
   Seminar, Career Conference, Leadership Conference….ALL ARE LAUGHABLE!!!!!!!! Wake up ladies….STOP BEING THEIR VICTIMS!

10. Why don’t they ban them in this country!!!!!!!!

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